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https://www.reuters.com/article/world/ukraine-passes-language-law-irritating-president-elect-and-russia-idUSKCN1S110Y/

Literally the whole media switched spelling around this time.

iRaq and iRan are silly but the "Kyiv" stuff is different.

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[-] REgon@hexbear.net 14 points 11 hours ago

And just a few weeks before the very same people were still calling the country the Ukraine. It was hysterical to see the very same people be very serious and very respectful about ~~the~~ Ukraines culture and language

[-] DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 22 points 13 hours ago

Iran should return to the good old times before the revolution when the country was still called Aynrand and literally every woman was wearing bikinis all day so I can oogle at them. It was objectively better back then.

[-] HumanAnarchist@hexbear.net 2 points 5 hours ago

Holy fuck it took me way too long to realize this was a bit

[-] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 25 points 14 hours ago

In the liberal mind, "Kiev vs Kyiv" is equal to "Beijing vs Peking" or "Myanmar vs Burma" or "Uluru vs Ayer's Rock"

[-] Saeculum@hexbear.net 15 points 14 hours ago

Rare British win.

Also though, a lot of people seem unreasonably upset about English speakers pronouncing words differently to how they are in their native languages when that's just how accents work.

[-] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 29 points 15 hours ago

Iran away from my wife grillman

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 53 points 18 hours ago

When the media says or implies that Russian culture doesn't belong in Ukraine, don't take it as a statement of fact, take it as a statement of intent. They're priming people to accept ethnic cleansing.

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 21 points 15 hours ago

But I thought Russia was committing genocide. CNN told me so and they never lie.

[-] Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida@hexbear.net 64 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I still call it Kiev because all the TV people switching words on a dime freaked me out. It's real 1984 shit when the entire media class just decides for geopolitical reasons the geographic name for a place everyone was used to using isn't usable anymore.

[-] Mindfury@hexbear.net 36 points 18 hours ago

they can do this one instantly, but scores of media outlets either took forever or haven't even got Turkiye down yet

I still think a funny bit is just pretending to not accept the Cyrillic alphabet and calling it "Knib"

[-] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 12 points 18 hours ago

Tbh turkiye kinda weirds me out. I have never heard anyone complaon about it before.

[-] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 42 points 19 hours ago

layoff-stare unprovoked layoff-stare full layoff-stare scale layoff-stare invasion

[-] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 48 points 19 hours ago

It's like the whole "Ukraine" vs "the Ukraine" in English that the media did the same thing for. Russian and Ukrainian don't have definite articles. There is no such thing as "the" in either language. The thing they argue over between Russian and Ukrainian is what preposition to use when talking about something in the territory of Ukraine saying 'на украине' (~"na ookrayeenye") versus 'в украине' (~"v ookrayeenye") meaning essentially "on Ukraine" vs "in Ukraine."

Presumed to be a legacy of an assumed origin of the name Ukraine coming from

  • 'у' particle/prefix in certain contexts meaning kind of by/at/of/near
  • and край (~"krai" similar to English "cry") in contexts meaning 'ridge/edge/side,' with its adjective form крайний (~krainee) meaning 'outermost'

so Украина ("Ookrayeenah") under this assumed origin meaning something akin to 'of the outer-edge (of the Russian empire)' kind of like "borderland." It is common place especially with older generations to use на украине instead of в украине, though it also often both get used interchangeably.

That's its own whole mess of history, but US English doesn't have, at all, the historical quirk of "on Ukraine" so it would've always been normal and proper to just say "in Ukraine;" and by making a thing about "Ukraine" vs "the Ukraine" they invented a new problem to then argue about that has no corollary in Russian or Ukrainian to start with.

Probably "the Ukraine" started in English because some anglo dipshit heard the preposition "na" as similar enough to "the" (and la/le for other romance languages if they even knew that) to just assume it was a definite article, and now they won't shut up about it. It's like the origin I heard from a Korean friend that yanks originally made the g*** slur for Koreans because anglos are so unworldly and pig-ignorant they heard "miguk" from Koreans, which literally means "USA/American," and thought it was the Koreans calling themselves the slur, because they assumed "mi" part is like English "me" because, and I can not stress this enough, they are dumb as hell.

[-] an_engel_on_earth@hexbear.net 9 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

also its funny cuz nobody gets mad at the germans for saying "die Ukraine". In fact theres a bunch of country names in german that get used with a definite article, like die Slowakei, die Turkei, die Schweiz.

[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 13 points 13 hours ago

The g-slur goes back to the Spanish-American War and then the Filipino-American War. Americans in the Philippines thought Filipino languages sounded like "guk guk buk buk" the same way they think Mandarin is "King Kong ling long." It got shortened down to come up with the slur, which became more widespread when the Philippines tried to gain independence.

And because Americans are so racist, they used the same slur against Koreans and Vietnamese as though Asians are all interchangeable. Doesn't surprise me they thought "miguk" was Koreans using the slur in a "Well of course they call themselves that! They recognize the superior white man," kind of way.

[-] heggs_bayer@hexbear.net 20 points 17 hours ago

I pronounce Kyiv so that it rhymes with "shiv".

[-] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 37 points 19 hours ago

But Iran, Iran so far away

Iran, I couldn't get away

[-] the_itsb@hexbear.net 11 points 17 hours ago

why was 'e chasing you

[-] newacctidk@hexbear.net 22 points 18 hours ago

And from UK media it is the same people who will call you a baby for calling it Derry. Even though in that case blood has legit been spilt over it and it stems from colonialism.

[-] Aradina@lemmy.ml 43 points 21 hours ago

It always annoys me how bent out of shape people get over pronunciation of city and place names in other languages. Some languages have different sounds and thus things are said differently.

The Chinese word for Australia is "Audaliya" and even the frothist of frothers don't go complaining about it (I hope)

[-] Owl@hexbear.net 26 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Chinese names for countries are cool. They try to be nice about it when there's more than one set of characters for something that sounds right (America is from the characters for "beautiful country" instead of "mildew country"), but when that's not possible you get really silly like Portugal being named "grape tooth." (There are also countries with literal translations.)

[-] miz@hexbear.net 25 points 19 hours ago
[-] bunnygirl@hexbear.net 2 points 4 hours ago

name for sweden sounds like they're still kinda mad about a very odd war that happened at some point

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 6 points 11 hours ago

Red Wheat sounds like the title of a kickass video game, a fantastic western novel, a decent 80's action movie and an absolutely horrendous metaphor for menstruation.

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 10 points 15 hours ago

germany
moral land

what the fuck

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 8 points 12 hours ago

Deutschland

Deutsch

De

{德|dé} (meaning moral or virtuous)

{德国|déguó}

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 7 points 12 hours ago

These are literal translations of names mostly chosen for sounding at least a little like the country's name in its own language

[-] kzhe@lemmy.zip 4 points 13 hours ago

I assume it's because it's like "de" or something i.e. Deutschland

[-] Deinonychus@hexbear.net 7 points 14 hours ago

Russia

White Russia

[-] heggs_bayer@hexbear.net 11 points 17 hours ago

B I L L Y T I M E

[-] miz@hexbear.net 15 points 19 hours ago

I don't know why Greece (Hope Wax) is labelled Hope December

[-] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 12 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

the La (腊) in Xi La (Greece or Hellas) can mean wax but it also refers to method of food preservation in China called Waxing where meat is dried and cured to have a waxy exterior, this is commonly done in the winter and hence the 12th month in the Chinese Lunar calender (actually usually in January rather than December) is sometimes colloquially called the wax month

[-] miz@hexbear.net 2 points 8 hours ago

很有意思,谢谢

[-] Mindfury@hexbear.net 11 points 18 hours ago
[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 3 points 14 hours ago

I hope that's real because it's fucking hilarious 🤣

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 3 points 12 hours ago

It is.

Kosovo is {科索沃|kē suǒ wò}

[-] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 27 points 20 hours ago

ITS DEUTSCHLAND NOT GERMANY YOU POOTIN BOT frothingfash

[-] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 25 points 20 hours ago
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[-] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 17 points 20 hours ago

Good point.

I will now start saying, 'yidali', 'jianada', 'yingguo', and 'bumeiguo'.

[-] Aradina@lemmy.ml 11 points 19 hours ago

Don't forget xibanya!

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[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 34 points 21 hours ago

The most idiotic thing about this is that English pronunciation of both Kiev and Kyiv is equally far from both Russian and Ukrainian pronunciation.

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 22 points 21 hours ago
[-] Hexboare@hexbear.net 12 points 19 hours ago

I support Ukraine so I say Kiyiv instead of kiyev

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[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 20 points 19 hours ago

Honestly, in half the country (the east) Russian is if anything more indigenous than Ukrainian is.

[-] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 14 points 20 hours ago
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