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(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this, and happy new year in advance.)

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 6 days ago

Is the brain just a computer By Iris van Rooij, a psychologist and cognitive scientist (and she is also a bit skeptical about the claims about AI). Might be an interesting read for the people here.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

An interesting thing came through the arXiv-o-tube this evening: "The Illusion-Illusion: Vision Language Models See Illusions Where There are None".

Illusions are entertaining, but they are also a useful diagnostic tool in cognitive science, philosophy, and neuroscience. A typical illusion shows a gap between how something "really is" and how something "appears to be", and this gap helps us understand the mental processing that lead to how something appears to be. Illusions are also useful for investigating artificial systems, and much research has examined whether computational models of perceptions fall prey to the same illusions as people. Here, I invert the standard use of perceptual illusions to examine basic processing errors in current vision language models. I present these models with illusory-illusions, neighbors of common illusions that should not elicit processing errors. These include such things as perfectly reasonable ducks, crooked lines that truly are crooked, circles that seem to have different sizes because they are, in fact, of different sizes, and so on. I show that many current vision language systems mistakenly see these illusion-illusions as illusions. I suggest that such failures are part of broader failures already discussed in the literature.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's definitely linked in with the problem we have with LLMs where they detect the context surrounding a common puzzle rather than actually doing any logical analysis. In the image case I'd be very curious to see the control experiment where you ask "which of these two lines is bigger?" and then feed it a photograph of a dog rather than two lines of any length. I'm reminded of how it was (is?)easy to trick chatGPT into nonsensical solutions to any situation involving crossing a river because it pattern-matched to the chicken/fox/grain puzzle rather than considering the actual facts being presented.

Also now that I type it out I think there's a framing issue with that entire illusion since the question presumes that one of the two is bigger. But that's neither here nor there.

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[–] arbitraryidentifier@awful.systems 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/meta-ai-users-facebook-instagram-1235221430/

Facebook and Instagram to add AI users. I'm sure that's what everyone has been begging for...

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 17 points 1 week ago

Spam bots are good now!

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think it did come up a few weeks back, but it's indeed a hilarious mess. the engagement must flow!

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 11 points 1 week ago

In my dreams, it won't take long until all user interactions are AI driven and people paying for ad space in that shit realizes that, leading to an immediate crash of meta's finances.

[–] self@awful.systems 17 points 1 week ago

hoping for a 2025 with solidarity, aid, and good opsec for everyone who needs it the most

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Hopefully 2025 will be a nice normal year--

Cybertruck outside of Trump hotel explodes violently and no once can figure out if it was a bomb or just Cybertruck engineering

Huh. I guess it'll be another weird one.

(I know I know, low effort post, I'm sick in bed and bored)

[–] mii@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Hey, at least there’s no way the Elon simps can spin that, right?

Never mind.

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[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] HotGarbage@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

https://xcancel.com/altryne/status/1872090523420229780#m

The whole thread is terrible; controlling and borderline abusive behavior.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I feel personally attacked because I have a BELOVED dino plush that looks almost exactly like that one, only is, you know, a fucking plush toy not an eldritch horror. They took a perfectly fine toy and ruined it with a stupid chatbot, the girl did the smartest thing and just uses it as a normal plushy.

Also if you listen to the video at the end you can really easily figure out why kids don't like that toy, IT'S FUCKING ANNOYING. Kids don't want to deal with your bullshit and fortunately they don't yet know how to pretend to care.

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[–] istewart@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Not sure where this came from, but it can't be all bad if it chaos-dunks on Yudkowsky like this. Was relayed to me via Ed Zitron's Discord, hopefully the Q isn't for Quillete or Qanon

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago

Curtis

IQ:300, Special Move: Urbital Laser

Curtis Boldmug has defined the meta for years. A competitive staple that strongly influences even builds not running him. Special attack causes unavoidable psychic damage even if you resist its charm effect. Vulnerable to sunlight.

Balaji

IQ: 300, Special Move: Yes Country for Old Men

A support type character. Good for ramping grift mana, but can't carry a game on his own. His ultimate is overcosted and just sucks up the hypecoins he spent the entire game producing.

Ray

IQ: 300, Special Move: Black Hole Graviton

Mostly just receives support thanks to boomer nostalgia factor. Low but nonzero win rate in modern tournament meta. Highly viable in time machine formats.

Eliezer

IQ: 300, Special Move: Goffik the Hedgehog and the Enders of Game

Former newbie favorite, fairly accessible and flashy. The Yud has seen heavy nerfs in the past years and at medium to high levels, his stats plateau severely much like his special move's plot. Thiel synergy has also shifted towards Curtis mains leaving Yud in shambles. Still a fun archetype and enjoys popularity as a smurf build.

Jack

IQ: 300, Special Move: Snorting an entire ground up bitcoin

Rather run of the mill character whose effectiveness was rather limited for a long time. The Blue Sky archetype made him meta relevant for all of five minutes until he got reclaimed by the toxic playerbase built around the social media platform he originally started and the uber braingenius currently in charge of that company. Beard gives him +1 armor bonus which is fine I guess.

Peter

IQ: 300, Special Move: Pondering my Orb

The apex predator of SV capitalism. The Black Lotus of technofascist grifters. His character is rumored to be based on Count Dracula. Even most SV billionaires can't touch him in a 1v1 matchup. Truly classic S-tier thinky boi.

Beff

IQ: 300, Special Move: World's Most Divorced Man First Date Percent Speedrun

Likely intended as a joke character, a guy named Guillaume pretending to know how to pretend to be cool on the internet. His posts turned out to be so lethally cringeworthy he started an entire archetype of */acc brainos. Not quite on the power level of Peter or Curtis, but surprisingly influential for an obvious meme build. Extremely weak to heartbreak from women named Ruth.

Leopold

IQ: 300, Special Move: To The Moooooon

Honestly, I had never heard of this guy before today but the data doesn't lie. The dots do go up and to the right and he posts a lot of them. Extrapolating from current trends, he will single-handedly reach singularity by the end of Q3 of this year.

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[–] self@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago (16 children)

a reply from a mastodon thread about an instance of AI crankery:

Claude has a response for ya. "You're oversimplifying. While language models do use probabilistic token selection, reducing them to "fancy RNGs" is like calling a brain "just electrical signals." The learned probability distributions capture complex semantic relationships and patterns from human knowledge. That said, your skepticism about AI hype is fair - there are plenty of overinflated claims worth challenging." Not bad for a bucket of bolts 'rando number generator', eh?

maybe I’m late to this realization because it’s a very stupid thing to do, but a lot of the promptfondlers who come here regurgitating this exact marketing fluff and swearing they know exactly how LLMs work when they obviously don’t really are just asking the fucking LLMs, aren’t they?

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[–] ibt3321@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Comment sections on awful.systems are similar to this Drew Gooden sketch sometimes:

It's just hard for me to give MY input when I don't even know what's going on

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 21 points 1 week ago

If you stick around and do a bunch of research you will end up better informed and much unhappier.

Once a month or so Awful Systems casually mentions a racist in some sub-sub-culture who I had never heard about before and then I get to spend an hour doing background research on obscure net drama from 2013 or whatever.

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[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fellas, I was promised the first catastrophic AI event in 2024 by the chief doomers. There's only a few hours left to go, I'm thinking skynet is hiding inside the times square orb. Stay vigilant!

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago

I'm sad to report that the catastrophic AI event already happened and it was this picture

mind horrors beyond your comprehension

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[–] mirrorwitch@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I find it impressive how gen-AI developed a technology that is fine-tuned to generate content that looks precisely passably plausible, but never good enough to be correct or interesting or beautiful or worthwhile in any way.

Like if I was trying to fill the Internet with noise to ruin it, on purpose, I couldn't do better than this. (mostly on accounr of me not having massive data centres nor the moral calousness to spew that much carbon, but still). It's like the ideal infohazard weapon if your goal is to worsen as many lives as you can

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"...according to my machine learning model we actually have a strong fit in favor of shooting at CEOs. There's a 66% chance that each shot will either jam or fail to hit anything fatal, which creates a strong Bayesian prior in favor, or at least merits collecting further data to scale our models"

"What do you mean I've defined the problem in order to get the desired result? Machine learning process said we're good. Why do you hate the future?"

[–] self@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

A "high-tech" grifter car that only endangers its own inhabitants, a Trump and Musk fan showing his devotion by blowing himself up alongside symbols of both, the failure of this trained and experienced murderer to think through the actual material function of his weaponry, welcome to the Years of Lead Paint.

from I Was Promised a More Aesthetically Pleasing Cyberpunk Dystopia by Vicky Osterweil

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

"A new report showed that Trump's win was extremely narrow except in 'News deserts', places where there is no local reporting or information, where he won by upwards of fifty points"

Apparently the repubs always do good there or something, i saw somebody complain that the news desert stuff claims there is a much stronger casual link between news desert and trump won than there actually is.

"if you chat with it about its designers"

I hope the people here at least realize how bullshit this is right? The ai doesnt know who designed it. It isnt a child talking about how their parents looked.

[–] jonhendry@iosdev.space 5 points 6 days ago

@self

To be fair it also endangers people outside the car, just not when a deflagration is set off inside.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Wow, that's bleak. The whole article I mean.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago
[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago
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