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The CEO "apologized" this morning (after being duly chastised, I'm sure):
Original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/
Am I being paranoid when I notice that the binary at the end of his username translates to 88?
Not intended to be a political statement? Even setting aside agreement vs disagreement, how is this (below) not a political statement?
Again, regardless of whether you agree or disagree it's like a textbook example of a political statement.
It doesn't mention or women or other minorities, so it's barely political.
Someone in the comments there make a good point:
His excuse that the social media team posted it from the official account instead of his account is farcical. This whole thing is too bad a taste in my mouth.
In the comments of the post, he says that 88 is the year he was born.
Not defending the 88, he could be a racist, but he's apparently from Taiwan. It is a common number in Chinese culture, guessing Taiwan too. Where I live there have been a couple of businesses with "88" in the name and both were Chinese.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)
No, 88 is not a bad number. "88" is pronounced like "็ผ็ผ" in Taiwanese, which means 'making fortune'. And you might also see Taiwanese people using "168" in their usernames, as it has similar meaning.
88 is typically used either on its own, or in full as 1488 by neo nazis and fascists. It's a dog whistle.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words
On its own, it can be used accidentally, such as if you have 88 in your username because you were born in '88, but if paired with other behavioral patterns it can become damning.
Sure, it could be. I wasn't defending him.
Just please don't think most of us using "88" or "888" for hinting Nazis, and "666" for praying Satan.
Well, like anything, it depends on context. In this context, it's not crazy to be on high alert for weird politicized signals.
However, I think you made a pretty good point about its meaning in Taiwan given that this fellow is apparently from there, combined with it being his year of birth. So, context decides and in this case at least it seems pretty ordinary.
For sure. Context absolutely matters, ans the context here doesn't establish a pattern from my understanding. So in this case it's unlikely to be a dog whistle.
But people should still be aware of what the 88/1448 dog whistle looks like.
Yeah fuck that, it's tuta time.
...88 is a red flag. Generally that's a bad number.
Not really outside of the west. He's Taiwanese i believe and 88 is considered fairly auspicious
Ah, okay. That makes sense. (Fwiw I've seen fascist types use 88 and 1488 outside the US, too. "88" is technically German. It can have begin meaning outside the US/The West in general, though.)
Yeah i know the connotations for the west is Hitler and aryan
Not quite the same but if you go to India you'll see swastikas everywhere. For Indians it means something completely different, Hitler just stole it and changed it. If you see a swastika in the west you generally know exactly what you're getting
Honestly it's more fucking cringe when these clowns try to walk back their opinion in a clearly bullshit and artificial way. I rather them just own it. If you're gonna be a cuck, be a cuck. Don't backtrack.