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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[โ€“] Nicro@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I'm currently on Tuta, because I can't imagine Mail without a free tier. It's run out of Germany(EU). Its 3โ‚ฌ a month for the normal tier, free takes away most features. Like Proton, you need to use their (OSS)-Client, for encryption reasons. It's currently growing and I hope they don't go crazy anytime soon.

I was looking at Posteo, but I don't want my entire internet identity to be gone, if I ever can't pay for it.

[โ€“] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago
[โ€“] nightm4re@feddit.org 16 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I've said it in another thread: German users should consider posteo as a green, safe, and affordable (1โ‚ฌ/M) alternative. https://posteo.de/de

[โ€“] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 hours ago

I use and like posteo but their refusal to allow custom domain names, for in my opinion dubious reasons, should not go unmentioned.

[โ€“] beegnyoshi@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Never used it. Is there a reason why you mention German users, in specific?

[โ€“] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

No, anyone can use it, payed plans only though (1โ‚ฌ p month min)

[โ€“] nightm4re@feddit.org 3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

It's not limited to German users, but those might be especially inclined since it's a Berlin-based company ๐Ÿ™‚

[โ€“] Saizaku@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I would actually argue that for privacy reasons when choosing an email provider you should go for one outside of the country you live in, even better go for one in a country that wouldn't comply with your country's court requests for data.

Edit: ac corrected actually to factually lol

[โ€“] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Wouldn't a provider that doesn't comply with my country, instead comply with a lot more shady entities requests?

[โ€“] boonhet@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

Shady entities outside your own country maybe. But shouldn't you be more worried about the ones in your own country?

[โ€“] beegnyoshi@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

I see, thank you!

[โ€“] Doomsider@lemmy.world 24 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Remember when businesses stayed the fuck out of politics so they didn't alienate their customers because they like money? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

[โ€“] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Remember when businesses stayed the fuck out of politics

No.

[โ€“] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

So literally one guy can change your entire network lifestyle?

[โ€“] filcuk@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I am trying to understand this too... I don't care about the CEO's personal opinions, so long as Proton provide the service they promised.
I'd be happy if someone would ELI5 as to why I'm wrong, I'm too lazy to switch otherwise.

[โ€“] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 hours ago

If yhe person running the show shows poor judgment in whose company they keep, where else have they had poor judgement?

Thank fuck I didn't get that subscription, I was looking into getting a secure mail service. I engaged with people calling proton a CIA honeypot, investigating what was up with the rumors and I was about to jump into bed with proton.

[โ€“] jokeyrhyme@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 hour ago

I know Google just donated to Trump's inauguration, and also does all the stupid surveillance capitalism crap that Google does, but I just compared prices, and Google Workspace is a few dollars per month cheaper per user than Proton is, for my needs (family, custom domain names, etc)

We've been on Proton for a few years, and it's fine, but we do also have Pixel Android phones, and not using Google services constantly feels like swimming upstream, plus all family members also still end up having to use Google services for work, anyway

It's just not practical for me to de-Google, which is a shame, so I think I'll be switching in a few months, unless pricing changes significantly :S

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