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[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 99 points 1 year ago (5 children)

why the fuck would the nazis' mortal enemy bury evidence of the nazis' atrocities?

talking about the ussr ofc, america was never actually the nazis' enemy

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I can't even think of what the reason he would say the Soviets would have to bury the history. I went to the post to see if users agreed or added more to his point but of course he hid the replies.

[–] RedDawn@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

According to NATOpedia, the USSR emphasized all of the victims at Babi Yar, soviets of all ethnicities and so didnt erect memorials specifically to Jewish and Roma victims. Something like 34,000 Jews, basically every Jew in Kiev was murdered there and then over the next months or years many more people, Poles, disabled, Russians, Communists etc were also killed with total victims being about 100,000.

So the soviets did not bury the history, they openly acknowledged the history but emphasized all victims as civilians murdered by fascism and didn’t emphasize the Jewish and Roma genocides explicitly or prominently. Thats my understanding of what Blinken means by “buried history” after a quick glance at wikipedia at least.

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

well that would be explained if the soviets didn't really think the ethnicity of the people murdered mattered. It's as wrong to kill a Roma or Jewish person as it is to kill anyone else after all

[–] RedDawn@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s true but it’s also probably true that the mass murder of Jews there being one of the biggest single mass killings of the Jewish Holocaust deserves special acknowledgment.

Now, I’m not commenting one way or the other on whether the Soviets failed to do that because I really don’t know, I was just relaying what I believe to be Blinken’s justification for what he said in the tweet, for anybody who’s wondering what the hell he’s even getting at. I still think he’s being a disingenuous and ridiculous using the phrase “buried the history” because we know that the Soviets did not engage in Holocaust denialism. There’s a nuanced conversation to be had, Blinken isn’t doing that, he’s reaching for a cheap political score against the Russians.

I can see justifications for both as the decimation of the Jewish population was especially tragic but also the idea that Jews aren't a true part of their homeland is antisemitic and it would be bad to in the wake of the holocaust acknowledge any of the logic behind it

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Stalin used time travel to learn of the current situation and decided to cover it up so Putin could spring it as propaganda or whatever.

Good to know that the US secretary of state is trustworthy as always.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Blinken was one of the officials on Biden's staff waaay back in the early aughts that helped goad Biden into pounding the table for the invasion of Iraq. You can count on him to reliably have the absolute worst position on all things foreign policy.

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[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 76 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"US Official" kind of undersells it. This is the Secretary of State. It is the highest ranking position in the executive branch that doesn't end in "President."

[–] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago

The secretary of state passively did some Holocaust revisionism and the average Joe STILL thinks the government isn't fascist ENOUGH.

[–] Cummunism@hexbear.net 68 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"The Nazis did horrible things, here is why that means Russia is bad"

what the fuck? lol. Will he resign? of course not.

Stalin shouldn't have stopped at Berlin.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm starting to think Stalin was too restrained in hist treatment of Nazis and that is a wild thing to think.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

Should have hunted every last one of them down like

Letting a single one of them get to ![amerikkka](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/6dedb145-206a-4b35-ab5e-c9e41e1130c7.png "emoji amerikkka") or ![kkkanada](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/478c2b58-b7bd-4c22-9f22-df7c3ea55a98.png "emoji kkkanada") was a mistake

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

thinking about that (misattributed?) quote,

"Compared to Lenin, Stalin was a mere lamb" - Molotov

[–] ksynwa_from_lemmygrad@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

This is a pretty uninformed take of mine but I feel like post WW2 USSR consistently underestimated how ruthless and barbaric the capitalist West could be.

[–] Dialectdezenuts@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Pretty sure people like Stalin, Zhukov, and Beria all predicted exactly this. In fact Lenin and Marx wrote about it a lot too.

It’s not correct to say that “Critical theory” descends from Marxism but like, it does.

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[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

why would the soviets cover up a nazi massacre

[–] Flinch@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're obviously evil, haven't you watched Stranger Things?

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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

fr, easy propaganda win against an invader

makes no fucking sense

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago
[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They call him Blinken because you gotta be asleep to believe his words

[–] Cummunism@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago

Me when Canada gave cheered for a Nazi: "damn i guess this means American politicians will be more careful and not do something like that"

Me today: ahhh nvm, right on schedule

[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's been a weird push to paint the USSR as Nazi Germany's ally for the first few years of the war. It's a bit terrifying seeing history rewritten at this scale.

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

it's an attempt to exaggerate the molotov ribbentrop pact and ignore the lead up to it. The USSR tried to do realpolitik in two ways. first they went around trying to form an antifascist alliance with the "Liberal Democracies" of Europe in the early 30s. Naturally the "Liberal Democracies" of Europe did not take them upon this offer because A) They were trading with, funding, enabling and/or ignoring fascist italy and fascist Germany and B) They were hoping to use the fascist states as an anticommunist bulwark. Slowly all these countries started to sign nonaggression pacts with the fascists. The USSR was the last to do so, fearing invasion, and needing to buy time to move their factories East, out of Hitler's way. So they signed the molotov ribbentrop pact, and invaded Poland alongside Germany. Now there's two ways of looking at this. One is that they teamed up with Hitler to fuck up Poland. The other way of looking at it is they temporarily prevented East Poland from being invaded by Nazi Germany. They also got into the winter war with finland. Stalin expected Finland would also be used as a corridor for Nazi invasion. They tried to buy that land from Finland, but Finland refused. After the Winter War, Finland gave intelligence to Germany, became an axis power, and allowed Germany to invade through that corridor.

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

fun fact, White Finland was in bed with the nazis as soon as they burst into the scene.

this "oh nooo those evil meanie soviets pushed finland to ally with nazis" - shit is ass covering at its finest

[–] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

![grillman](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/b674f45a-ed3b-4a2b-995b-189c052d6d7f.png "emoji grillman"): "Wait, you're a Holocaust denier? Get a load of the SJW reverse-racist over here! Why deny the Holocaust when you can just say the soviets did it and Nazi Germany was squeaky clean? I mean, communism is bad because high school said so, but ironically this logic does not play out for the nazis or the confederates."

This is going to be their new talking point, isn't it? Because of course the biggest threat to the west would do what it can to make the ultimate expression of the west's bourgeoisie, sinful history look good.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Next week: Soviet soldiers did not liberate Auschwitz. Ukrainian soldiers did

[–] reaper_cushions@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That has literally already happened. Too lazy to dig it up though.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

![doomer](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/e29727db-5b25-4c11-9d6a-46a0b389e114.png "emoji doomer") Yeah I remember that shit from like a year ago I think

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've heard "Zhukov wasn't soviet he was Ukrainian" now even including Ukrainians in high level government positions is oppressing Ukrainians

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[–] Sephitard9001@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty soon liberals will be on some race science shit about soviet being an exctinct neanderthal race that superior skulled Ukrainians outbred and replaced by 1991

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[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

EDIT: Also the community notes kept disappearing at times, probably butthurt ![lmayo](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/59e7a8d0-cf3f-4c3a-a5e8-2be9a3607ea3.png "emoji lmayo") s

They announced earlier this week that they're going to remove community notes. Tbh I thought they'd be gone by now

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

They announced earlier this week that they're going to remove community notes. Tbh I thought they'd be gone by now

Probably clashes with engagement. If a note correction exists then it takes away outrage engagement that would otherwise be generated by people trying to oppose complete and total bullshit.

[–] iie@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

shoutout to readers adding context

Is there ever a consequence to blatant falsehood? Surely there is a folly to a confidence game without a tether to reality

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

Fuuuuuck this shit

[–] wombat@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

usians are the most propagandized people on earth

[–] theother2020@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

What the actual actual fuck.

[–] Harajukum@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago
[–] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

One of my friends was saying the Soviets were covering it up because they said it was a massacre of Soviet citizens and played down that it was a massacre of Jews. And that is where the minimizing the Holocaust narrative comes in. It's just so in the weeds I don't care. And Blinken obviously isn't the one trying to be nuanced.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The greater irony in this twisted logic is that the Holocaust happened to more groups than just Jews but here in ![amerikkka](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/6dedb145-206a-4b35-ab5e-c9e41e1130c7.png "emoji amerikkka") the version we're taught in schools tends to not talk about how the nazis wanted to exterminate slavs or LGBT people which in of itself is Holocaust denial by omission

[–] MoreAmphibians@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

or LGBT people which in of itself is Holocaust denial by omission

The US probably doesn't want to teach about LGBT people in the Holocaust because when the US liberated the camps they freed the Jews but they kept the homosexuals imprisoned within the camps.

[–] Flinch@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

In answer to your inquiry :

National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.

Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.

In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

J. Stalin January 12, 1931

Of course this does ignore the fact that there is nothing about being Jewish that makes you less of a soviet citizen

[–] NPa@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Did he mix up Katyn and Babyn or something?

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