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Dude just loves riling himself up into a frenzy, doesn’t he? I guess he was mad that Hasan was going to interview Obama, which never even happened, and now he thinks Hasan is a “genocide supporter” because a random YouTube clip he came across that said “Hasan supports Kamala’s policies”, which he never even watched and was most likely just clipped. Hasan isn’t perfect, but fuck, you think at least him going to the DNC as a journalist would be considered fair from BE. Wild.
we're never going to have an online radicalization pipeline 
all I will say regarding this is that my brother started watching Hasan a year ago and he's gone from a biden supporter to a kamala-despising communist, so if Hasan's role is funnelling disaffected people back into liberalism, anecdotally, he's very much failing at that 
This is the reason I am in general fine with whatever Hasan's shenanigans are. Honestly my biggest reason that I do not hate his nepo-baby existence is because he is the anti-Vaush, whereas Vaush's pipeline is anarchist to natoist, Hasan's is clearly democrat to communist.
It's all still very fucking stupid and I wish the kids would get their politics elsewhere, from like actual lived experiences, but I will settle.
I just wish people could sit down and read, for their own sake. I'm guilty of doing very little reading myself (only read a couple modern theory books and 2 Marx and Lenin books lol) but the fact that everything complex has to get simplified into videos and clips just makes it incredibly hard to transmit a whole different worldview.
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It's all still very fucking stupid and I wish the kids would get their politics elsewhere, from like actual lived experiences, but I will settle.
Could you expand on this?
A better, and more helpful way for young leftists to 'do politics' when you are young is not through media consumption, but through actual participation in politics. In particular, a very interesting breeding ground for these experiences is school politics, where you will begin, if you can even run a successful campaign in the first place (which is a learning experience itself) how systems of power actually influence the world, like how a 'democratic institution" is actually completely at the whims of an undemocratic bureaucracy.
For example, when I was a young rad-lib in high school, I was treasurer for two years in a row, with one of the major projects that happened in our first year being the development of a subsidized after-school study program for under-performing students that would actually pay kids to be there (we could only afford 5 dollars an hour a day, but it was better than nothing). This was because most of the kids I knew that were struggling in school also had other money problems this would require not doing expensive dances, but we felt that if we could get students even a little extra time, it could potentially get us more government money for the school in general. Surprisingly, most of the student government was on board with it. After running it through a bunch of different things, we eventually were able to vote on a version of the program that would run for only one month before standardized testing. Not great, but again, better than nothing.
After the vote, we went to the administration to iron out the details with them, and they immediatly put the kai-bosh on it, killing the program in the womb and telling us we were interfering with academic programming and that it was illegal. To be fair, it might not be legal to pay kids to go to school, but we didn't know that.
The next year we were allowed to spend a bunch of money on a huge new American flag and huge dance venue on a military base, being strictly monitored throughout our voting process. You know, things that only benefit rich kids and subsidize costs that the administration themselves should be spending.
It was one of the eye-openers for me and really started me down the path of radicalization, more so than any event that was mediated (the Iraq war etc.) in particular it taught me not to trust what I believed at the time were 'so-called liberal administrators'. My full turn toward M-L theory and communism came after watching and participating in the Bernie campaign, but I likely would have never done that without those formative experiences in actual student politics.
Meanwhile, almost every radical anarchist kid I knew in school (we didn't have any commies at the time), that didn't participate in student government because it was 'lame and pointless' (which, ya know, fair) has become some form of hyper-online right-wing libertarian or anarcho-natoist in their thirties. It's one of those things where I feel like because they never actually are where the rubber hits the road, their politics are almost purely reactionary, as opposed to attempting to be forward thinking, program oriented and analytical. The real ones were big in Food Not Bombs, and aren't as online.
Hasan functions as Chapo for people born after 9/11
all I will say regarding this is that my brother started watching Hasan a year ago and he's gone from a biden supporter to a kamala-despising communist, so if Hasan's role is funnelling disaffected people back into liberalism, anecdotally, he's very much failing at that
Hasan repeatedly shutting down anti-"tankie" rhetoric is the source of this.
Everyone that either silently allows that shit or vocally supports it funnels people back into the dems.
Everyone that does not allow that shit funnels people into further radicalisation.
It's that simple.
Hasan has lib moments but he's good on >90% of issues. He has a massive audience to which he spreads leftist ideas, like it's honestly so lucky that one of the biggest streamers on twitch is pro-China and singlehandedly normalizing Xi chad memes on the platform. He also reaches a lot of non-political people thanks to being friends with people like Ludwig, Valkyrae or pokimane, introducing them and their audiences to expressly political figures like Felix Biedermann and Brace Belden.
Good luck starting the revolution by hissing at everyone who doesn't already agree with you.
I once visited a bank, I'm now a capitalist.
Dialectical materialism is me wanting to shit on Hasan for being a sheepdog millionaire living in a mansion vs me wanting to shit on BadEmpanada for being a deranged sexpat gringo holed up in Argentina
All streamers are deeply unserious people
We need to stop purity testing and seeing if people are "good" and start seeing if people are useful instead. Hasan might be a bit cuddled up with libs(bad) and is a millionaire(owns a house) but he provides a useful service and pipeline for the left, making him useful. Norman Finkelstein is a transphobe(bad), but his analysis is invaluable and is tremendously useful to the left. I don't care if a person is good or moral. I care if they help the left. BE occasionally produces valuable content and I applaud him for that, but this is nonsensical, idealist, individualist drivel from him.
Unless you’re just some dude in the Gobi desert who doesn’t even have internet, there is zero merit to being this absolutist
I like Hasan for being a pipeline and I like bademp for being a poster.
I dislike both of them but I fucking HATE bad empanada for acting like the most smartest leftest boy in the room all the time while being nothing more than a streamer just like Hasan. At least Hasan is honest about what he is.
I don't watch either but I think this is the distinction that I see as well, with the addition that I only ever really hear about BE when he's trying to start some clout-chasing fight with somebody else. I guess maybe that's because Hasan doesn't need to chase clout but it's definitely the most lame thing about BE.
Hasan seems to be one of the most divisive things on this site lol
Hasan is generally extremely treat-brained, and he isn't as harsh on liberalism or as supportive of AES as us. The difference in opinion is whether he serves the purpose of radicalizing liberals, or preventing further radicalization.
I'm of the opinion that he generally works more for radicalization than against it.
we can all agree hes cute and that obviously makes up for his flaws, right :thonk:
not really into men but... honestly he's not bad. You got a point there
He's just Democracy Now with parasocial characteristics.
Greek man mad at Turkish man. News at 11.
Kill the streamer in your head
Hasan is just following in the footsteps of AOC where he spends some time critiquing Democratic policies but then spends every waking moment trying to get cozy with the Democratic party.
Hasan can't have it both ways where he's an "outsider" that gets kicked out of the Convention for saying some stuff on stream that made the DNC or Donors angry, but then also had spent all that time trying to get into the Convention in the first place so he could stream from the Convention and attract as many Democratic party hogs who wanted to watch the convention via Twitch.
You're either outside the convention, demonstrating against it and explicitly against a genocide, or you're just trying to keep an audience just happy enough by saying that a genocide is bad, while you try and triangulate enough in order to get into the Convention and "network"
It can't be both, and unfortunately BadEmpenada is correct for once about something.
It's also the case that it's one internet personality trying to start shit with a more popular internet personality in order to get clout, but the point still stands.
Hasan is just following in the footsteps of AOC
Deeply unserious lol
Like someone on here comparing PSL to trots.
We won't know what he was going to do with an interview with Obama now, unfortunately, but it would have been very telling.
I have a degree of respect for journalists who curry favour to gain access in order to really press issues and do the actual job of (adversarial) journalism. There's a fine line to walk if you want to do this because it's extremely easy to get blacklisted, especially these days.
I think one good example of being behind enemy lines like this for the sake of journalism is Abby Martin going to Israel to interview average Israelis on the streets to get them to indict themselves via vox pop. It would be uncharitable to denounce Martin for going to Israel and speaking with Israelis given what she went there for and what she achieved.
Whether Hasan had intended a similar angle w/interviewing Obama or any other big figure in the Democratic Crime Syndicate idk but I think there's an argument to be made that simply rubbing shoulders with them does not necessarily mean that you are a Compradorpoints-esque figure.
The other side of the argument is that he was allowing himself to be coopted and he was betraying his principles for cash and clout. This is where a conflict emerges between the more liberal-oriented model of the "objective" or politically-neutral journalist and the person who has an overtly political platform (but I don't really buy into that paradigm personally) however what Hasan was doing was the inverse; rather than starting from the place of journalistic inquiry and becoming politically partisan, he started from the place of political partisanship and was intending to pursue a journalistic endeavour. I think this makes the issue so much more complex because we are going to view his actions as politics-first, even if he is attempting to do something journalism-first, but to stand on ground for your political beliefs only to rescind them to start pursuing journalistic endeavours does give a strong impression of reneging on your politics.
For me I absolutely cannot be fucked trawling through hours of streams in the lead up and the aftermath to glean some insight into what he had planned to do because he just isn't that important to me. So that leaves me feeling cautious about Hasan until I get some good info shedding light on this from a trustworthy source but I personally don't think that this alone is sufficient for me to consider him persona non grata as it stands.
Hasan is just following in the footsteps of AOC where he spends some time critiquing Democratic policies but then spends every waking moment trying to get cozy with the Democratic party.
AOC supports Kamala for president, Hasan does not. Before Kamala's speech, Hasan said "I'll wait and see" with respect to whether he supports Kamala, but now, he is very vocal about the fact that he does not support Kamala for president.
Or maybe you meant Hasan is following in AOC's footsteps in some other way?
I don't even disagree with BE on much (this is one of the things) but I just had to stop watching him because it made me so miserable. I don't think that man has ever had a positive thought, or if he ever has he certainly hasn't ever made it apparent. Just constant rage and hostility. Not to say it's unwarranted, ruthless criticism etc etc, but it does get incredibly exhausting and depressing to watch.
I could really go for an empanada rn goddamn
sorry, there are only bad empanadas. you will shit and piss yourself
Locking this post due to continued, excessive hostility.
I've said this before and I'll say it again: He's the Keemstar of leftist twitch/twitter/youtube. He basically latches onto whatever popular topic is being discussed and posts hot takes (which are sometimes good tbf) that are sure to get him views/clicks.
IDGAF about Hasan