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Who told you not to trust anything the US said?
This is meme is for people who are incapable of forming their own thoughts but have been told they are, aka, tools of propaganda.
Living in the US is sufficient cause to distrust its government.
Being educated is a sufficient cause to distrust all governments.
Idk I like it when the proletariat is able to dictate the course of society
Also your reply contradicts your statement that I first replied to.
Not at all.
Someone told you not to trust either. Presumable not the same person, presumable American government told you not to trust China but that begs then question who told you not to trust the American government.
Further the meme implies one should trust the Chinese government presumably because an untrustworthy source told you not to which is a mentally stunted view.
Not being trapped under the direct influence of the Chinese government, there are clearly many of reasons not to trust that government either.
There is no reason to trust any government. A basic understanding of history should make it clear that this is true of any government that has ever existed.
You don't have to be told not to trust it. Even deluded Chuds who guzzle US corporate propaganda all day don't trust it.
No, the meme implies that your distrust isn't justified, not that trust is justified.
Okay, have you talked to any recent(as in the last 10 years) immigrants from China who don't make way over the median US income? Or hell, earlier immigrants mostly only complain about the liberalization period under Deng.
This doesn't really acknowledge the class character of the state.
Why would immigrants be trusted source?
People have personal biases, good and bad. People have confirmation bias. It sounds like the immigrants biases have confirmed your biases.
Even if I were to ignore all of that, your experience is an anecdotal data point for me so my opinion that no government should be trust remains.
Given that I'm not attempting to replicate or advocate for any specific form of government this seems prudent.
For anyone still reading and is really bored, my personal belief is that the only path forward is an society that is governed by immutable mathematical agreements.
It's hard to describe what I have in mind in a comment as there are many interacting pieces that together create a system that requires no government, no leaders, no fake money and no ambiguity.
Because immigrants are already biased due to having to leave, and they're still generally normal about China.
I can say the same for China
Except you literally can't.
The government that actively tries to censor elements of news from their citizens. Yeah buddy, sure thing.
I said
"Living in the US is sufficient cause to distrust its government."
You replied:
"I can say the same for China"
I replied:
"Except you literally can’t." Meaning you don't live in China so you can't make the claim with similar level of authority
And then you made the comment I replied to, and I don't see at all how it is connected to the line of conversation.
I guess I can't because i don't live in China, but you understand the point of my argument yet choose to play semantics. It's fine
No, you said something that didn't make sense.
Saying that the Chinese government censors news from their citizens and attempts to spread propaganda about themselves to the outside world doesn't make sense to you?
The point is you're making an unsourced claim which doesn't align with the topic of conversation.
Sucking up to the Chinese like a true tankie. Intellectualism is being able to admit that both the Chinese and US governments are bad actors
True intellectualism is doing proper investigation before speaking. How many ordinary Chinese people have you talked to? Have you visited China?
I don't think i need to have done any of those things to make assertions about China. Saying that China doesn't engage in propaganda spreading and censorship is peak naivety. You know you can be a communist while also criticizing its model example right?
Hell, I've conversed with some of the most ardent communists on here, and even they concede China engages in censorship and propaganda spreading
Saying that they do propaganda and censorship as like a "you can't trust them" justification is ridiculous though. Literally all states do those things, and non-state solutions don't work, as has been repeatedly demonstrated.
If that's your stance, then i can also say the same thing about the US:
"Saying the US does propaganda and censorship as like a 'you can't trust them' justification is ridiculous though".
That's your argument now used to support my stance.
I never made that argument though. Are you here to shadowbox or talk?
You never outlined why you think the US is untrustworthy. I am however saying that regardless of the facts, China is just as untrustworthy if not more so.
That's nice, have a good day!
Your stance seems to be based only on vibes so 🤷
I have a brain, you know.