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Tesla’s European market share is declining sharply, with EU registrations dropping 40.9% in November 2024 compared to last year, and year-to-date registrations down 15.2%.

Including the UK and EFTA, Tesla’s registrations fell 13.7% this year.

The drop stems from reduced government EV incentives and growing dissatisfaction with CEO Elon Musk.

Despite Tesla’s decline, overall EV registrations in Europe have remained stable as competing automakers gain ground. Tesla remains the largest EV producer in Europe but faces growing pressure from rivals capitalizing on its waning dominance.

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[–] filister@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

To be honest, VW EVs are extremely boring and overpriced. I would rather buy Volvo, Polestar, KIA or Hyundai. The fully specced ID.3 is something like 53K which is insane for such a small car. Their cars are simply uninspiring.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 5 points 5 days ago

I've driven Kia, Hyundai, etc. Trust me, you don't want one of those. The Ioniq 5, one of the higher-end Hyundais, has absolutely shit ride quality. I test drove that, got back into my old diesel E-class (and I mean OLD. 2003) and felt like the E-class was the slowest thing ever, but 10x as comfortable as the Hyundai.

I did end up getting a newer car, but it wasn't an EV, it was a 2019 C-class, because it was a lot more affordable than any new car in early 2022 and also way more comfortable than any EV that would've been "only" twice the price I paid. That's because VW or BMW didn't really have a proper lineup yet and MB and Audi were only doing really expensive models.

Now that the Germans have somewhat proper EV lineups and Volvo is turning around as well, the Koreans are just going to be the cheapo EVs, much like they were cheapo ICEs. They can have cool designs, pretty good infotainment, etc... But the ride quality is abysmal because they cheap out on everything that isn't visible or numerically significant.

There's so much in a car that the size alone doesn't tell you, nor do numbers. The Ioniq 5 has a McPherson strut for the front suspension. My C-class (which I've since sold because I now drive so much, I can't justify a car that has room to depreciate, I put 80k on it in the last 8 months), had multi-link front. In the Ioniq 5, I didn't feel very confident cornering at a high speed on a back road. In the C-Class, it was soooo much better. But then you'd think maybe if the Ioniq 5 wasn't as great for spirited driving, maybe it felt better over bumps? Also no, it felt MUCH worse. Way crashier. You could feel every bump in the road. And bear in mind, I didn't even have Airmatic suspension or anything.

Now if you truly can go drive a Polestar, a Mercedes and a Hyundai and tell me that the Hyundai felt like the best car to you - go for it. But personally I've been ruined by the fact that I've driven extremely depreciated luxury cars for 8 years out of the 10 I've had a driver's license and a nearly new executive car the other 2. I can feel every single imperfection in a car's ride quality at this point lol

Ah, an extra fun fact: The best car I've owned in my last ~8 months of driving shitboxes, was a V8 Cayenne. For years I figured "but it's just a Volkswagen with a Porsche badge, it can't be that great", but I was so wrong. The first gen Cayenne isn't as sporty as the newer ones, but it could still corner pretty damn good for a big hunk of SUV, yet handled bumps really well too. It had locking diffs and a low-range transfer case. It was an absolute beast in every way. Unfortunately, one of those ways was fuel economy and though it was OK once I had LPG installed, the tank was so tiny, I had to refuel it every 200 km, so it also had to go.

[–] troed@fedia.io 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Maybe you're talking about the previous models? The platform starting with ID.7 is amazing. Yes, I replaced my Tesla with an ID.7. Two of my friends waited a bit longer and grabbed the GTX ID.7 Tourer model instead - now voted best EV of 2024.

The price of my ID.7 was slightly more than the much smaller Model 3, and way cheaper than Polestar and KIA.

[–] Tobberone@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The problem I have with id7 is that it is bigger on the outside, smaller on the inside and not as fun to drive. Having said that, I recently got to drive a new Model3 and the changes the last 5 years has not done it any favours. Quieter, yes, but that's about it for the positives.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

You might not like the interior/exterior changes other than the reduced noise, but it's also much more aerodynamic, and it is exceeding the range estimates even on 70mph tests instead of rapidly dropping off below estimates at those speeds (which the tests aren't meant for). That's also a big improvement. That and noise are the big ones IMO.

[–] Tobberone@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sure, better range is always nice, if that's the case, but I didn't drive it enough to be able to come to that conclusion. The power usage from previous owners was as expected, though.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ya, I don't think the power usage was that much different for normal driving, it just excels better now at prolonged high speeds. Some of that has to be the improved aerodynamics since the impact of drag is quadratic at high speeds, but probably some motor/power train efficiencies as well?

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Personally the ID3 is a bit too small for me, but the ID4 is pretty good, but the Skoda Enyaq is just a tad better.
If you want something more interesting maybe the Cupra Born is more your style.
But the cars you mention also have their benefits, Kia and Hyundai have more features as standard, but it's not quite the quality of VW from what I understand from reviewers.
If you want something that isn't boring there is also BMW, but they are a bit expensive IMO.
Polestar is a bit of a mixed bag from what I understand, and they have financial difficulties. But some people seem to simply love them.
There is also the Ford Explorer, which is also built by VW on the MEB platform.

I agree VW and the Skoda Enyaq are a bit boring,for instance the speeder is calibrated so it doesn't jerk the car when floored, it's designed and built to be safe, practical, reliable and comfortable.
I guess it doesn't get much more boring than that, but it is also makes it a very pleasant car to drive and use.

Anyways we certainly have many great alternatives to Tesla now, also without having to go Chinese.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I had never seen the Born before. To me it looks just about as bland as anything. What makes it interesting to you?

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

It's a more sporty hatchback, not one of those bulky SUV cars. A heck of a lot prettier than Polestar and KIA. The new KIA 3 is outright ugly IMO.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 1 points 5 days ago

try a Taycan if you ever get a chance! not literally VW but definitely not boring

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Even the ~~Taycan~~? It's the only crossover I like. But yeah way overpriced.

Edit- Macan not Taycan

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

not a crossover! not even remotely close

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

You are correct, I was thinking of the Macan. Thanks!