Fools get downvotes here. When the US launches a violent offensive directly on a neighboring independent country with the intent of destroying its people and conquering its land, which NK and Russia are currently trying to do, maybe you'll have a point.

Let's just summarize the argument made here using actual facts:

Everyone says Russia is so bad for bombing children's hospitals and rest homes and apartment buildings, but look at the US's military budget!"

It's pathetic.

[–] zeca@lemmy.eco.br 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

your conditions are too specific. what the US did to Iraq, Vietnam, Korea,... is already bad enough. But these dont qualify because they arent neighbors of the us, and the intentions arent exactly what you listed. still, these are already bad enough.

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I absolutely love the part where you guys are all so vocal about "but the US did this and this" but have literally nothing to say about @mydude@lemmy.world up there acting like Russia and North Korea are perfect little saints while actively trying to wipe out civilians.

Just Tankie Things™️

[–] zeca@lemmy.eco.br 10 points 2 weeks ago

dont blame me for the opinions of someone else. Just note how hipocritical you sound by dismissing criticism of the us while criticizing russia. Why not both?

[–] Binette@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't know much about Russia or north Korea's history, but I will not stand for the whitewashing of US crimes. It's an insult their indigenous people, Vietnam and the middle east to suggest that the US had no implications in imperial projects.

jUsT tAnKiE tHiNgS go fuck yourself

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Fun fact: Wikipedia openly states that 135,000 more tons of bombs were dropped on the Korean peninsula than the entire pacific front in WWII.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So you have no defense for your selective defense of US imperialism and lash out at others when it is noted.

Anarchist instance btw

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Selectively defends by accusing others of selective defence when they accuse you of selective defence

Fucking lmao

Anarchist instance

DOUBLE LMAO

Acting like Putin and Kim are chill is about as "anarchist" as Elon Musk thinks he is.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Notice that rather than address the absurdity if an "anarchist" ahistorically defending US imperialism, you've decided to make things up on my behalf.

Kill the Redditor in your brain.

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I love the part where you, once again, describe yourself there while continuing to tiptoe around the matter at hand.

Just come out and say it, already. "I don't have a problem with imperialism, just the wrong imperialism."

Kill the 🤡 in your brain.

And FWIW, I am incredibly tired of this BS, so I'm blocking you because I'm tired of you flooding my replies.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago

This is just a stream of rhetorical posturing to avoid ever directly addressing any of the criticisms presented.

[–] Binette@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

How do you think the US was created lol?

[–] TurboHarbinger@feddit.cl 1 points 2 weeks ago

Of course the US citizens won't agree with this, so their government has to do it somewhere else, so the US could wash their hands. Funnily enough, last time someone did this, a CEO was murdered to get accountability.

This kind of crap is another level of hypocrisy.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fools get downvotes here. When the US launches a violent offensive directly on a neighboring independent country with the intent of destroying its people and conquering its land, which NK and Russia are currently trying to do, maybe you'll have a point.

"Neighbor" is doing all of the work here, as the US had pushed its frontiers far away from itself for about a century. Of course the US has actually invaded:

Canada
Mexico
Cuba
Guatemala
Puerto Rico
Haiti
Hawaii
Grenada

[More but I don't feel like compiling the full list]

And some of those in the last half century or so!

Of course, if you remove the morally meaningless qualifier of "neighbor", your point goes entirely out the window. I think this is obvious to everyone, including you, so really the question is why the need to lie to yourself about US imperialism? Why downplay it in bad faith?

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ignores the point of my comment

Hyperfocuses on one tiny detail

.ml username

What a shock.

"Neighbor" was never an important detail, and only someone struggling to string together some type of deflection from the point would focus so deeply on it. The point, as is abundantly clear to anyone with a couple of braincells to rub together, is that these countries are doing that now, as in at this moment, and are targeting civilians, which the person in responding to gladly ignored with their "but no, everyone says Russia is bad" bullshit.

And you have the gall to accuse me of making a bad faith argument. Once again, pathetic.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

"Neighbor" was never an important detail, and only someone struggling to string together some type of deflection from the point would focus so deeply on it.

Neighbor is the only qualifier that makes your claim arguably true for, say, 30-40 years. You included it yourself, I didn't make you so it. If you get rid of the term "neigbor", you are simply wrong.

Instead of running away from it and trying to blame me for noticing, you could just acceot where I am correct and try to synthesize.

You will get into conflicts and be consistently wrong if this is how you respond to correction.

The point, as is abundantly clear to anyone with a couple of braincells to rub together, is that these countries are doing that now, as in at this moment, and are targeting civilians, which the person in responding to gladly ignored with their "but no, everyone says Russia is bad" bullshit.

That applies to several countries, including US-backed Israel and the US-backed reactionaries in Syria, which is why the term "neighbor" does so much work. And in providing that obfuscatory defense, you are doing the thing you claim others are doing, which is excusing and minimizing war and death on civilians.

And you have the gall to accuse me of making a bad faith argument. Once again, pathetic.

It requires very little gall. You are putting on quite the display at the moment with the flurry of insults and deflections.