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All the things you're talking about happened during Biden's presidency.
Democrats don't protect us from Republicans. They just use Republicans to threaten us into voting for them. The more people get hurt by Republicans, the better it is for Democrats. They directly benefit from Republicans killing women and withholding aid.
This makes no sense. If Trump was going to "dismantle the government" there would be no more president. Also none of us are voting for him, this is a stupid fucking strawman that comes up every time one of you liberals comes in here and tries to use the plight of vulnerable people to cudgel us into voting for a genocidal monster who literally forced trans women into mens prisons and refuses to take a stance on even that very basic issue. She also is committed to building Trump's wall as well.
So please from the bottom of my heart I mean this with the utmost sincerity: I hate you and every liberal like you because at least republicans are honest about being evil pieces of shit while you smug motherfuckers always try to act like the smartest person in the room when in reality you don't know jack shit and when people try to teach you you double down with your selfrighteous bullshit. Fuck all the way off. I won't ban you just yet but that doesn't mean an admin won't, maybe stick around and listen to the people you presume to care about but please sit the fuck down and shut up unless you have a good faith question and aren't just here to concern troll and use the marginalized as a shield to justify voting for the party that hates you and everyone you or I love.
You've been doing this for how long? The Republicans are never gonna get less fascist. The Democrats are never gonna magically decide to move left either. The only thing that can actually cause a change, a break from the trend of approaching oblivion, is socialist revolution. You're kowtowing to people who will have you killed for marginal benefit. Take the hint and stop trying to move mountains for them.
I agree we need a socialist revolution. I just feel like it will be easier to organize something like that if we still have a democracy to influence.
It will be harder to organize either way.
It was Democrats who brought in the cops to remove the Pro-Palestine camps. They put down the BLM movement. They killed the railworker strike. They failed to enforce any protections for COVID.
If you give them your vote, you're endorsing that. They didn't earn your vote! Vote 3rd party then join an org.
Tim Walz, currently Harris' running mate, deployed the United States Army to Minneapolis to crush BLM and it's terrifying to me that that doesn't register with Democrats at all in any way.
Feels like everything related to the 2020 protests has been completely memoryholed except by conservatives who are still crying about "defund the police".
It really does. It was only four years ago, it was an uprising of global scope and historic scale, and it's already been erased from public and political discourse. Even occupy had more cultural impact. : |
Well the American liberals applied their color palette:
I'm assuming you meant "defund", because chuds are all about defending the police.
shit, yeah
The problem here is assuming that we currently have one.
Biden has crushed union strikes and protests all over the country and no one gives a shit. Somehow that is more fertile ground than the energized populace that came out to fight everything Trump did? People even gave a fuck about him pardoning a goddamned sheriff! Meanwhile Biden gives billions to cops and no one gives a shit. When Trump bombed Syria at least some of you flipped out (though most started talking about how "presidential" he was finally being. Sickening.) now with an ongoing genocide you can't even pretend to care. These are the conditions you believe to be better for organizing? Organizing for what? Next election where we have to vote for the democrats just this one time if you're any indication.
Tim Walz sicced the fucking military on BLM protesters in 2020!
Can you explain why you feel that?
"Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth."
RIP Rosa
Great. I voted for em previously and they "tried to make a difference" but it didn't work out and now we have a genocide. Whoopsy. Anyway now is next time and I'm voting for somebody else. Not trump.
So why are you voting for Democrats, when we both know they will just make things worse? They're already promising to be harsher on the border than Trump was, promising unlimited support for genocide, and aren't even going to reform the Court. They won't try to make a difference. They'll try to let Republicans keep winning so that hopeless, cynical voters keep voting for Democrats.
In the current political landscape, if you don’t vote Red or Blue you are giving your vote to whichever way your state swings.
Even if I agree both sides are shit, I don’t want to allow the narcissist, racist, xenophobic, fascist, felon, wanna be dictator to get back in power and dismantle our democracy.
I would like us to swing so far left it makes Rupert Murdochs head spin, but I’ll take the not-fascist if that’s all I can get.
Kamala Harris is a genocidal fascist and you're brow-beating a bunch of literal communists for not voting for her so I'll take the whole "but I’ll take the not-fascist if that’s all I can get," bit with grain of salt.
Die
The message I’ve been trying to convey in all of these posts is that if Trump wins we may not get a chance to vote someone better next time.
I don’t agree with Harris’ stance on Israel, I don’t agree with lots of things going on.
I just want to have the chance to change it eventually, especially as the Boomer generation dies out from old age.
"Look I don't agree with Hitler on the whole Final Solution thing either but we may not have a Germany to reform if we don't support him right now."
I can't express enough that you will never convince us of the importance of voting to continue the genocide, or how much hatred I personally have for you at this point.
if america is so fragile that a 78 year old wet sack of shit can completely conquer it and declare himself king for eternity, then it was never a democracy or whatever in the first place. it's a farcical joke of a country that should have collapsed ages ago. If Trump is the boogeyman that turns America into Gilead, then what good was America anyway? The second dumbest man on Earth (first is Elon) rose to ultimate authority and is going to press the fascism button? He's gonna suspend all elections?
if it was always this easy, then America's been a ghost for decades and I don't know why you can't see that. If this whole goofy constitution beating, spirit of America, our democracy stuff you're talking about, if all of that somehow hinges on one specific guy not getting elected into office
then what exactly do you have
what rights did you possess in the first place, and how flimsy was this stupid country to begin with? jesus christ just listen to what you're saying. "vote for someone better next time" fam I don't know if you know this but when candidates lose it's not like they poof into the shadow realm and take all their support with them. They're part of the American sausage factory for life. The donors that fund both candidates don't go anywhere. The wealthiest of Americans continue to exert power no matter who tf it is. do you really expect Trump to suddenly flip the board over, when the wealthy are mostly content with how things are going?
ask yourself this. Why isn't Trump arrested right now? Why didn't the CIA just shoot him with a polonium dart gun? If he's supposedly this level of a threat, that he'll flip over the whole state apparatus, that'd be a bad time for the bourgeois class, right? I can't imagine the wealthy want to stir the pot, when....they're literal ghouls who control the whole world. Why upset a good thing they got going? Look inside yourself and you'll see the answer: the wealthy don't give a shit if it's Trump or anyone else. He's the same type of American politician you always get, and he's already proven that in the 4 years we had him
Jesus christ I hate talking to libs, you always bring out the worst in me and make me type paragraphs just to content with your mindless pablum. fuck.
You're not getting a chance to vote for someone better either way. The Democratic Party keeps moving right towards Fascism because people aren't willing to stop voting for them.
You MUST show that they can't take your vote for granted or they will never listen to you!
Imagine the results come in on 11/5, Trump wins a close race by winning Michigan by 10k votes. What's that? Jill Stein got 12k voted and PSL got 3k votes? Democrats will hate us but also might try pandering to US for a change instead of Dick fucking Cheney!
It's really more of a return to tradition. For most of American history, the Democrats were the haven for bigots, warmongers, and other such scum. The Dixiecrats are a far more recent phenomenon than most people think. Joe Biden himself got his political career started under their wing.
Feels like your election system is completely broken and it's only a matter of time before the Republicans get it and dismantle it or whatever you reckon Will happen
Last time Trump was in office the entire country rioted. Under Biden you've seen brutal crackdowns on students protesters and the rest of the country applauded like seals.
Kamala has said she will work closely with the GOP, so which is it? Are they threat to democracy or someone to work with?
The Dems are doing everything they can to crush any political movement, yet they're somehow not a threat to democracy? Tim Walz had the army attack BLM protesters in 2020. Somehow he's the good guy?
In a sane country you'd be in a mental institution.
You have a chance to vote for someone better right now.
Let me tell you something I'd bet my life savings on: Trump isn't going to dismantle democracy and be a super pooper dictator scooper. Can you really not cast your mind 8 years back to when people said exactly the same thing, and he won, and nothing changed? He'll just be the same decline that the Dems would have been.
THEN DEATH TO AMERIKA.
At least you settler pieces of shit pretend to fight when your fake opfor holds the White House.
This country has never been a democracy sit down shut up and listen.
He is saying both:
"We can't vote for who we want, we can't vote for change."
"We must preserve this. Trump is a threat to it."
Voting for Democrats doesn't stop Republicans. Republicans dismantling Roe v Wade happened under Biden. Republicans withholding hurricane relief to people in North Carolina happened under Biden. The Democrats aren't going to protect you.
Vote Blue, get Red policies anyway. There aren't really two sides. Democrats are happy to let Republicans hurt you, because it will scare you into voting for Democrats. Democrats directly benefit from Republican policies. Democrats benefit from fascism.
And that would be Kamala "I am going to give even more support to Israel" Harris? The lady who has said she is going to have republicans (who I thought were a threat to democracy or something) in her government? The candidate with a running mate who sicced the army on protesters in 2020? The person who arrested black people if their children were truant and then bragged about it? That's the not-fascist?
that's what we've been doing for generations; picking the lesser evil since they're the closest thing to "people that will try to make a difference" we have in this country and it's painted us into this corner of a choice between an democrat genocide enabler and a republican who only wishes he was.
"The rich and corporations have owned this country since Regan's (sic) presidency" You may want to look further back in US history...
Oh I understand, but Regan repealed many laws that were holding corporations in check. Since Regan things have exponentially gotten worse.
Biden literally broke a railroad strike. They are all doing this shit you are just blinded by the narrative that a few bad actors are the problem with the US government and not the entire apparatus itself.
Biden also championed a vast array of horiffic legislation that directly helped lead us here. It really is astonishging just how important Biden has been to bringing us to this point. He's just so fucking evil.
I did this, turns out the Green candidate is the one that will better citizen's lives.
That's exactly what I'm doing. Voted for Biden in 2020, voting for Stein now.