You've been doing this for how long? The Republicans are never gonna get less fascist. The Democrats are never gonna magically decide to move left either. The only thing that can actually cause a change, a break from the trend of approaching oblivion, is socialist revolution. You're kowtowing to people who will have you killed for marginal benefit. Take the hint and stop trying to move mountains for them.

[–] tryptamine@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I agree we need a socialist revolution. I just feel like it will be easier to organize something like that if we still have a democracy to influence.

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 50 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It will be harder to organize either way.

It was Democrats who brought in the cops to remove the Pro-Palestine camps. They put down the BLM movement. They killed the railworker strike. They failed to enforce any protections for COVID.

If you give them your vote, you're endorsing that. They didn't earn your vote! Vote 3rd party then join an org.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 48 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Tim Walz, currently Harris' running mate, deployed the United States Army to Minneapolis to crush BLM and it's terrifying to me that that doesn't register with Democrats at all in any way.

[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 35 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Feels like everything related to the 2020 protests has been completely memoryholed except by conservatives who are still crying about "defund the police".

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It really does. It was only four years ago, it was an uprising of global scope and historic scale, and it's already been erased from public and political discourse. Even occupy had more cultural impact. : |

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago

Even occupy had more cultural impact. : |

Well the American liberals applied their color palette: us-foreign-policy

[–] heggs_bayer@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

except by conservatives who are still crying about "defend the police"

I'm assuming you meant "defund", because chuds are all about defending the police.

[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago

shit, yeah

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 33 points 3 weeks ago

The problem here is assuming that we currently have one.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 28 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Biden has crushed union strikes and protests all over the country and no one gives a shit. Somehow that is more fertile ground than the energized populace that came out to fight everything Trump did? People even gave a fuck about him pardoning a goddamned sheriff! Meanwhile Biden gives billions to cops and no one gives a shit. When Trump bombed Syria at least some of you flipped out (though most started talking about how "presidential" he was finally being. Sickening.) now with an ongoing genocide you can't even pretend to care. These are the conditions you believe to be better for organizing? Organizing for what? Next election where we have to vote for the democrats just this one time if you're any indication.
Tim Walz sicced the fucking military on BLM protesters in 2020!

[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 13 points 3 weeks ago

Can you explain why you feel that?

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth."

lucy-parsons

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

RIP Rosa