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[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 51 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That does sound impressive, but I'll be really impressed when the AI model actually can tell me what the hell "solve all of physics" means

Also, lathe-of-heaven No matter how "good" these models get, Douglas Adams has been too popular on the internet for this to ever succeed. All AIs based on data scraping will be forced to respond '42' to all inquiries of that sort.

[–] butter@midwest.social 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How many roads must a man walk down?

[–] context@hexbear.net 44 points 4 months ago (3 children)

the day is approaching when we can ask an ai model to solve all of physics and it can actually create raving nonsensical rants claiming to be a grand unified theory of everything while denouncing the academic establishment for ignoring its genius, thereby automating the thankless task of giving physics grad students someone to punch down on

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] context@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago

a classic, and it's certainly in the training data

[–] christian@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

For centuries, humanity has worked towards building an AI that will understand all of physics. Now, upon completion, we have learned that the key lies in the idea of "four simultaneous 24-hour days".

This is my new screenplay idea.

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[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 38 points 4 months ago

It pisses me off how biggest proponents of "AI" don't seem to understand how these algorithms even work. No, LLMs literally cannot "solve physics", whatever that means

[–] neroiscariot@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago

Going to laugh when the LLM comes back with 42

[–] Rx_Hawk@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago

"Alexa, solve physics" smuglord

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

my friend is doing gig work to make chatgpt better at just boring old textbook physics problems, and it's complete dogshit at it. so uh, sure man. nice brainworms you got there.

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Didn't they manage to make it somewhat good at solving certain math competition problems? Regardless it's a pretty big jump from that to making a breakthrough in physics.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

maybe certain ones, but it's generally bad about numbers and mathematical reasoning. he also gets paid to make it fail at math, and it's arguably worse at basic math than physics.

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago

Very excited to someday have a computer that can do math problems

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago

I think they had to connect it to Wolfram Alpha

[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah deepmind had good results with IMO problems, but only geometry problems. They scored almost at the level of gold medalist. That's only a fraction of IMO problems, though. They did it by combining a formal verification system with a LLM to propose solution paths, and then doing some tree search I think.

This is one way to improve large AI systems and will probably be incorporated in some way in the future, for example by integrating with a language like lean (for math proofs).

They will also be improved by combining with tool use like calculators, code interpreters, web search, calendars, etc. This is already starting to happen to some extent.

LLMs by themselves, at least with current architectures using transformers, are not great at reasoning (counting, arithmetic, symbolic reasoning)

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

This is just the infinite corridor of monkeys and typewriters bit but played straight, lol

[–] a_party_german@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] plinky@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago

this is some primo ouroboros shit ohnoes

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago

They automated Redditors...

This is actually pretty interesting. Memes are so formulaic so of course you can get realistic output and half of their comedy comes from repeating a few bits so it doesn't need to be super funny. I'm just mad I didn't come up with this to be honest.

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[–] anaesidemus@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

what is solving? what is all? what is physics?

[–] Castor_Troy@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Unified field theory, or the theory of everything: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_everything basically uniting general relativity and quantum mechanics.

[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I wish these nerds stuck to solving the velocity of a ball rolling down the hill instead of trying to be enlightened philosophers

[–] booty@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago

in fact, speaking of a ball rolling down a hill, i have a fantastic problem for these AI bros to work on. see, there's a big hill and there's a big rock that's at the bottom of that hill which id really prefer to be at the top instead. you think they'll volunteer? sisyphus

[–] RiotDoll@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago

Unless these morons are hiding an honest to god AGI in their back pocket, they're fully insane, and it's boring at this point.

Even if they do, it's probably a mechanical turk somehow. I don't believe these dunces capable of making an actual gestalt organism

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A lotta yall still don’t get it

AI holders can solve physics with a single AI

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

How many slurp juices?

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Guys, AI just needs a lot more money and it'll work.

The Feynman Algorithm

  1. Write down the problem.
  2. Think real hard.
  3. Write down the solution.
[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

real "my dad works at GameCube" energy

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Me when I train a LLM with things that humans have made and done, doing nothing but remixing the training data: "create something novel?" "No."

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[–] D61@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago

After humans solve the problem and post it online somewhere to be hoovered by a LLM data scraper, an AI will be able to solve the problems already solved by humans.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"solve all of physics" what the fuck does that even meam

[–] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

It will automatically spit out the designs for a warp drive.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

New bit idea: whenever someone reaches a net worth in the 9 figures or above, they get a state-appointed scientist to follow them to meetings and interviews and loudly shout them down whenever they make an indefensible prediction (this is a lot nicer than my preferred bit idea)

[–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The preferred bit idea is also giving that scientist a gun and one free presidential pardon at any time of their choosing, then letting nature take its course.

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[–] GenXen@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I have wonder that while I have no doubt that Altman (a finance guy) has little to no actual understanding of "AI", whether he truly believes these claims. The business relies on securing astronomical amounts of venture capital, practically requiring anywhere between bold embellishment and outright lies. So what's the repercussions for the latter? As long as you let the real wealth pull out their investment before the bottom falls out and let the retail investors take the hit, probably zero. Even if you don't do that, at worst you get a short stay in Club Fed like Holmes. On the other hand, I'm still fairly skeptical that any valley finance guy is actually that cognizant.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

he is a hype guy, not a finance guy

[–] healthkick@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

Get the AI to solve the incompleteness of logic problem first, Sam

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Isn't this the guy in prison for bitcoin crimes?

[–] save_vs_death@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

I get them mixed up!

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago

It's really just classic snake oil salesman behavior but it attracts massive VC investment because it promises to discipline labor. Even when the tool doesn't work to reduce labor costs (because occasionally it does), buying it and threatening people with it pays dividends.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

Technically he said that AI could understand all of physics which is a slightly different thing. Still silly as practically that just means “AI gonna do better physics modeling” which is more an incremental improvement on current systems than reinventing the wheel.

[–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

At what point does this count as defrauding investors and gets Altman the one form of justice that rich people ever suffer under capitalism? This is so thoroughly bullshit that even investment bankers should be starting to see it.

[–] Tom742@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

Why do we need AI when Terrance Howard already solved this by properly unfolding the flower of life

[–] MaxOS@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago

I don't think I want to live in a universe where physics is "solved"

[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not all "tech bros" are brainless idiots who like to suck billionaries balls. I'm a fierce advocate of Free Software (as in freedom) , AI hater, I have class consciousness and I'm aware of all the contradictions of capitalism. Contradictory or not I live in Germany

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago

its more of the idea tbh meow-hug people thinking that tech will solve everything, despite it not doing that much actually in the labor saving department

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