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[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 60 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I have two hypothesis to what might have happened:

  1. Putin got to him, but instead of falling out of a window he fell from the sky
  2. Prigozhin stages his own death so he could escape with at least some of his money to somewhere in Africa or South America
[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

putin got him, 100%. both wagner and ru mod have reported that priggo is dead, and you don't just randomly fire a SAM at a civilian jet

look at what happened to any other nationalist critic of kremlin: tatarsky is dead, girkin is in prison, surovikin is under "house arrest", now prigozhin and utkin are also dead, and some others, like rybar, were told to toe the line or else and they complied

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

you don't just randomly fire a SAM at a civilian jet

Unless you're Russia

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago

this one was 100% intentional. these two other were also intentional, just misguided, it takes several steps to fire a SAM, it does not happen through an accident (bar missile defence, but there are few civilian planes with size of missile, travelling at the speed of missile)

[–] timespace@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Source for it being a SAM?

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

early claim by wagner telegram channel, and also what makes the most sense since entire wing was blown off

could be something else, but options are limited

[–] sab@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it's #2, I wonder if he'll still be watching over his back for ice picks for the rest of his life.

[–] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

If it's #2 he's absolutely going nowhere near a window on the fifth floor of any building.

[–] Trashcanman@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m in the option 2 camp. While it is entirely possible that he really did die I’m skeptical and think this is some sort of plan of his. I don’t mean to sound conspiratorial but it’s so hard to believe anything reported by Russia

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

they already found his body, both ru authorities and wagner says that prigozhin and utkin are dead

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They say they found his body. Can't trust the Kremlin or Wagner.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

kremlin and wagner are on opposite sides there, and they say the same thing

putin wanted to show very publicly what happens to traitors, and he did. this is the simplest explanation here; maybe it's delayed response for mutiny, in which case the only unusual thing is why it happened so late. or maybe it's gerasimov's decision, or someone else's in high command, in which case it's more of an happy accident for putin

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Im gonna go with #2. Whole story sounds too easy and too convenient to be anything else.

Give it a few months and you will find this guy eating ice cream in Florida like that Brazilian President

[–] Khalic@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

#3 Prigozhin was not on board, Wagner command knows, so no uprising, and Putin looks like he had him assassinated. Optics preserved

...

I might need some sleep

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I can't help but wonder if that whole thing was Putin using Prigozhin to flush out traitors and tempt Ukraine to attack before they were ready.

[–] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m sure it will be determined that it was Ukrainian ‘terrorists’ who were responsible and not at all the guy with a history of killing people who challenge his authority.

[–] Redhotkurt@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh, I'm sure the Russian apologists on Hexbear are already refining their script.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They are out in absolute force.

If the Russian army was half as aggressive as hexbears then no number of black f35s of Allah could save us.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

God I hate Hexbear

[–] PocketRocket@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

This one took a little longer than expected.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 12 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Yevgeny Prigozhin, the Wagner paramilitary chief who launched an armed mutiny in June, was on a private jet that crashed in the Tver region near Moscow, killing all 10 onboard, Russian officials have said.

Rosaviatsia, the Russian aviation authority, said Prigozhin was one of the passengers listed in the manifest as being onboard the Embraer business jet that crashed on Wednesday evening.

The cause of the crash was not immediately clear, but Prigozhin’s longstanding feud with the military and the armed uprising he led in June would give the Russian state ample motive for revenge.

Prigozhin, an ally of Vladimir Putin’s who amassed a fortune from state contracts, later went on to establish troll factories and a paramilitary army that became an important extension of Russian power abroad.

But a longstanding conflict with the top brass of the defence ministry only grew worse in Ukraine, where he feuded over ammunition and strategy, claiming his irregular fighters were being sacrificed to protect regular Russian troops.

Where’s the fucking ammo?” he screamed in one social media post, calling out defence minister Sergei Shoigu and chief of the general Staff Valery Gerasimov while lobbying for more shells to be delivered to his troops fighting near Bakhmut.


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[–] furzegulo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

rot in hell

[–] PlatypusXray@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

The problem was that all of the plane‘s windows, including the front ones, were welded shut to prevent defenestration.

[–] Liv2themax@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Almost like Putin holds a grudge

[–] jcit878@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

well this is an interesting turn of events

[–] traveler@lemdro.id 2 points 1 year ago

I have a theory that this was actually accidental. Ukraine has been attacking Moscow almost daily with drone attacks and their AA systems around Moscow must be in the highest alert possible. He was also close to one of Putin residences which itself has a bunch of AA systems to protection.

So odds are a trigger happy AA system made the massive fuck up of shooting their plane down killing all inside.

No one was probably counting on it, not even Putin. Was probably again a show of how shit the Russian army is. And it wouldn’t also be the first time Russian AA systems commit friendly fire, and won’t be the last.

I doubt Putin would willingly kick the hornet nest like this, the Russian army can’t stop Wagner if they start rushing against Moscow again.