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[–] halfempty@kbin.social 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Far right media considers "Fact Based" to be a "Liberal Bias".

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It actually is biased though. UpperEchelon did a video exposing this. I swing to the left myself, but I would prefer if the LLMs were objective.

[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Political objectivity is impossible.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would argue that asking a machine to list known information is not impossible.

Here's a very clear example where chatGPT refused to answer a question regarding Biden but happily answered the exact same question for Trump.

https://youtu.be/_Klkr6PtYzI?t=520

And before anyone starts, NO! I'm not a supporter of the oompaloompa king.

[–] Sekoia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

Mhm, but with the way LLMs work, it's not possible to actually remove bias since it's baked into the training data. Any adjustment towards "neutral" would be biased by what the adjuster considers neutral.

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[–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Only if emotions are involved. Of course it's not possible as long as we train our AI with flawed human-generated data though.

[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

LLM's require human generated data, that's how they work.

[–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's how we make them work today. It is possible to stay politically neutral in a language though. And therefore your generalized statement is incorrect.

[–] Renacles@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does politically neutral even mean though? Because it's definitely not centrism.

How would you train AI without biased data anyways? All data carries some bias from whoever generated it.

[–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does politically neutral even mean though?

A conversation being void of any kind of politics is politically neutral. And that's most conversations I have.

[–] Renacles@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

Most people don't agree on what subjects are and aren't political.

[–] Phanatik@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

It will never be objective if its dataset is something like the internet. It will always be prone to bias because that's the double-edged sword of LLMs, they have to have vast quantities of data and the only place they can get that is the internet which is biased opinions everywhere.

[–] Eggyhead@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

LLMs are only as “fact based” as the data they source. An LLM in the time of Galileo would have told you the earth is flat.

[–] Yorick@feddit.ch 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Weekly reminder that scholars since at least 500 B. C thought the earth was a sphere, so Galileo's LLM would tell him that, and even tell its size with a reasonable accuracy.

[–] Eggyhead@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Galileo’s LLM would tell him that

Assuming the sources used for training were the correct ones.

[–] mishimaenjoyer@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

today's fact is tomorrows hate crime saying it - beware!

[–] FarceMultiplier@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago

Reality has a liberal bias.

[–] jflorez@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

Reality has a liberal bias

[–] redchlorophyll@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Big surprise! Call the press!

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

No shit sherlock.

No wonder, given the ever more ‘curated’ dataset it’s trained in