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I rewatched this video for the first time in a while today. There were some pretty good comments NGL.

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[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wonder what happened to this person. Did they just dissipate into the liberal miasma and decide to never go online again or did they maybe wake the fuck up after realizing that biden has done nothing different?

[–] MCU_H8ER2@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Maybe they are on Hexbear now?

[–] judgeholden@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

they're in the Pod Save America comment section

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They feel more like the blahaj type honestly lol

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

i hate that theyre ruining the blahaj for everyone else, blahaj is a comrade blahaj transshork-happy

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought the other day how this person would react if they found out they're an emote on this site that has been used daily for years now. That must be a trip and a half.

[–] MCU_H8ER2@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

We will remove it if she comes on here and denounces liberalism.

[–] KFCDoubleDoink@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Someone asked before and I swear someone said that they've since reformed somewhat which is good.

[–] blight@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

I remember reading they did th video ironically and after it blew up they did the sensible thing and disappeared from the surface of the earth. Just a hazy memory but kind of unsettling to consider

[–] DickFuckarelli@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I've never seen the source video. You darn kids move too fast for old man Dick, over here.

[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

It's as over the top as we make is seem.

So much so I am not convinced it's not a bit.

[–] MCU_H8ER2@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] robinn2@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I haven't seen it either post it coward

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They took the original down after getting completely do piled, honestly I don't even know how to search it anymore. You used to be able to pull it up googling "ok sport ok champ" but that doesn't work anymore because Google now sucks lol

[–] raven@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I tried "ok sport ok champ" (Page of results about Oklahoma football)

"Ok sport ok champ -oklahoma -football" (Literally the exact same results)

This goes deeper than SEO, Google just isn't trying at all anymore.

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

searching "maybe later kiddo" worked for me

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/REFsYsMa31g

[–] Magician@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

It's frustrating when I have exact quotes for things and it still gives ads or inaccurate results.

I tried to look up the spelling for Chaise Lounge, and had to do a whole lotta backtracking

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[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] DickFuckarelli@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's no way this is real.

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

oh it was very sincere I assure you

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[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

thank you for being careful to capitalize Dick there

[–] Flinch@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

maybe we can talk about it later, kiddo

talks about it later

stfu tankie 🤣🤣

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

talks about it later

"OH MY GOD, WHATABOUTISM!"

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Tbh I wish we'd forget about them. Some random person did something cringe years ago. Who cares, let it go.

[–] ShareThatBread@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the embodiment of vote though

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're also a real person. There should be a statute of limitations on this shit, they don't deserve to be known for it forever.

Thems the breaks

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it's not too bad to keep the emote but nobody should go around trying to find out their name or repeating it if they do know it

[–] MaxOS@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago
[–] MaxOS@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I still kind of believe that it was a bit video

[–] robinn2@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think it's parody, like apart from being over the top they're not saying anything your typical radlib wouldn't at that time.

[–] Comp4@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah that sentiment seems to be pretty common within even self proclaimed progressive circles.

[–] Fibby@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Hey, I'm happy to get dunked on here - but whats actually wrong with her video? I upsettingly voted for Biden because it was a vote against fascist. Do ya'll considered that dumb?

[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Edit: thanks for the good question. I'm firing at the hip here and not editing this a lot because I'm a little drunk, but the following may explain it a bit I hope.

The act of voting itself is by almost any measure inconsequential. We don't really care if you as an individual do or don't vote in presidential elections. What we take issue with is the presentation that voting is the primary, only, or most important form of political participation. You're not going to stop our descent into fascism by voting for neo-libs because they're going to keep fanning the flames of material conditions and contradictions that drive people to adopt fascist ideology. Every single election is presented as the ultimate struggle against fascism and we just HAVE to put up with the center-right corporate shill one more time to prevent the fascists from gaining power - but please ignore the fact that they keep winning and growing in influence anyway. Definitely don't get any ideas about doing anything besides voting, that would hurt the bottom line. Show up and crank the lever legitimizing your own oppression and be happy for the opportunity.

Our derision about all this comes from the kafkaesque absurdity of that cycle and inability of people i-voted obsessed from seeing the futility in it all. Stopping fascism is going to require more, and the emphasis on voting as the only option intentionally obscures those other solutions. It gives the false impression of doing something, which arguably is maybe worse than doing nothing at all. All the energy and time that could go into more effective political action is instead poured into ineffectual voting campaigns that only serve to reinforce the status quo (which, again, is a steady slide towards reactionary positions.) The atomic unit of propaganda is emphasis, thus SO much attention is given to voting and that crowds out real solutions that actually work from public consideration.

Plus, it doesn't even make sense, truly. If Donald Trump is an actual fascist that is seeking to enact genocide, war crimes, and general human rights abuses beyond imagination... Shouldn't we be handling this a little more ahem permanently? no-fash If the liberals in power were serious about their own rhetoric, they should be doing a hell of a lot more to "protect democracy" than riling up the base with scary language every four years. Truth is they don't believe their own story, they think they can keep getting away with trotting out war-criminals and debt hounds and forcing us to accept it because the opposition is somehow worse. They're not wrong about the opposition being immediately worse, they're just wrong about being able to get away with it forever. Their own ghoulish policies feed the forces of greater fascism, and this grift only works until the fascists actually DO seize power, and then they'll kill the liberals and communists alike. We shouldn't wait around for that to happen, so part of that means getting over our religious devotion to voting as our primary understanding of political participation.

[–] Fibby@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I absolutely disagree with the idea that voting fixes everything and it should be the sole focus. And I dont think its going to stop fascism, just slow it down (maybe). But it takes little effort for me to vote, so why not?

And I do really think Trump is a fascist and is enabling fascist. My neighbors are fascists. My community is filled with fascist. I make friends where I can and I own guns and ammo. I do what I can. But voting? Its this small thing that takes a little bit of time that might help out.

And I do think there is a less noticed benefit of campaigns. Like when Bernie ran and brought "Medicare for all" to light. We had a large shift in the US of people wanting something different. If a revolution is ever going to happen, we need that overton window to shift further to the left.

[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, again, it's all well and good to go out and vote if it's easy. It's (intentionally) not for everyone, though, and it's (definitely) not the solution we really need. We parody and lampoon the vote fetishists and liberal conception of the activity, those who use it as a self-actualizing process and believe in it whole-cloth, not folks like you trying to do any bit that might help. There's people who think they're good people and doing their part showing up to crank the blue lever every four years, all while the climate burns, women's and lgbtq and minority rights are stripped away, and warmongerers kill and maim millions for profit. They are complicit in their indifference, and the lie that #voteing is enough keeps them in that comfortable state of inaction. Showing disdain and mocking what they consider holy is a strategic move to shake them from that complacency. You don't need to make the opposite mistake and feel bad about voting, though. As long as you understand how little it matters and don't propogate the myth around it and are organizing in more meaningful ways, then you're doing absolutely nothing wrong.

Now, one could make an argument that participation in voting at all lends the veneer of legitimacy to the system, but that's a bit less cut and dry than the criticisms of liberal voting and their attitudes about it.

[–] Fibby@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I understand what you're saying. I think I just got some lib brainworms. Even though I know voting means so little, I think its the right move to vote.

And yeah, I get all the way the system isn't legitimate. It is what it is. I can participate while advocating for its change.

[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

hexbear-shining brainworms

Don't worry, we shall tear them out with careful application of patient explanation and relentless dunking

This bear eats worms.

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[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When I'm less drunk I'll come type up a constructive critique of the "I think it's the right move" position. I have more I could expound upon regarding that legitimacy matter.

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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

i voted biden, but to act like voting protects us from fascism is silly. it certainly isnt stopping my trans sibs from getting genocided in florida. if i were president id declare them a secessionist for flagrant violations of federal law and crimes against humanity, disband their legislature, roll in the tanks, and finish the reconstruction the radical republicans wanted after the civil war. this hasnt happened with biden. shrug-outta-hecks

what does protect us against violence, and really the only way to guarantee your safety as an individual, is inclusive union power. plenty of unions have stopped work to prevent deportations and racist violence in the past, and frankly these inclusive unions were pivotal in passing any civil rights in america whatsoever.

if i were president id declare them a secessionist for flagrant violations of federal law and crimes against humanity, disband their legislature, roll in the tanks, and finish the reconstruction the radical republicans wanted after the civil war

sicko-wistful xi-plz

As a Floridian, please someone invade and disband our legislature. We can’t be trusted with one.

[–] Fibby@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Lol I wish we had a president that badass. Best we are gonna get is a capitalist who wears a pride pin for one month outta the year.

[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We don't dunk on good faith questions! None of us were born principled communists, we had to learn. It was through patient study, but much more importantly, patient teaching that we gained clearer perspectives on those kinds of questions. Thank you for asking!

[–] airlinefood@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

None of us were born principled communists

Speak for yourself, I'm the one true leftist.

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[–] Fibby@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the answers too. I'm just wanting to understand a bit more. I think I agree with everyone on the end goals but how to get there is tough.

[–] SootyChimney@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don't consider it dumb, we don't universally dunk on voting, but I think most of us would say it's borderline meaningless. The end result of Biden's time in office vs. Trump's time in office thus far are almost indistinguishable. They both happily support the pursuit to bomb other countries, actively fuel and support overseas wars, attempt coups on foreign governments, blockade Cuba against the wishes of the entire UN, torture innocents in black bag sites, lock up children, imprison people en masse, watch millions suffer without actually reasonably helping, etc. Biden's term in office has overseen a horrific reversal in abortion law and has directly made active efforts to limit the actions of unions, and so forth - that sounds not very distinct from fascism to me.

Main point of the post is "We'll talk about it later" has been the general attitude from liberals to leftists since the beginning of time. We're ALWAYS just averting a crisis right now and it turns out that right now is never the time to actually make constructive change.

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