I don't consider it dumb, we don't universally dunk on voting, but I think most of us would say it's borderline meaningless. The end result of Biden's time in office vs. Trump's time in office thus far are almost indistinguishable. They both happily support the pursuit to bomb other countries, actively fuel and support overseas wars, attempt coups on foreign governments, blockade Cuba against the wishes of the entire UN, torture innocents in black bag sites, lock up children, imprison people en masse, watch millions suffer without actually reasonably helping, etc. Biden's term in office has overseen a horrific reversal in abortion law and has directly made active efforts to limit the actions of unions, and so forth - that sounds not very distinct from fascism to me.

Main point of the post is "We'll talk about it later" has been the general attitude from liberals to leftists since the beginning of time. We're ALWAYS just averting a crisis right now and it turns out that right now is never the time to actually make constructive change.

[–] Fibby@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the answer. All your answers have been fairly consistent with not liking the "Let's talk about that later". And, yeah, I get how that's peak lib.

And I dont disagree with anything you said in the first paragraph. I know Biden sucks. I just think he's marginally better than Trump, which really means fuck all.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm a pro-voting Hexbear because:

If you think it's meaningless, it sure doesn't hurt.
There are usually some differences somewhere, especially at local levels (several Dem states have passed abortion rights laws, MN is doing a lot of other good state-level stuff).
Libs will flatten any conversation to "why aren't you voting?????" if you tell them you aren't. It's just not productive, and saying you vote but it will never be enough defangs a lot of what they would otherwise say -- at least lie about it!