chapotraphouse

As the official pod puts it, liberals live in a world full of victims but no victimizers

no more half measures walter

liberals: the symptoms are bad, but the causes are so good

Dw this is the struggle session of the month, something new will happen next month

give it a week or two, everyone's still excited about the new slop after three years of nothing

People were mad at the vegan comm because they were aggressive and confrontational dicks to everyone on the site while using the patina of veganism as an excuse.

Its why most of those very same vegans are all mostly banned off the website for their behaviors.

Its one thing to advocate for veganism, its another thing to for example call someone a “r*pe enjoyer” to a sexual assault victim for drinking milk in a thread completely unrelated to veganism.

BUT IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN IT'S MY TREATS!!!

None of the problems I've seen with vegans has been about the harm of the industry. We're all aware of exploitation. The issue arises around some posters making it a very personal, individual attack on others rather that seeing that diet is also a place where capitalism has wielded its force. Calling someone that is on your side politically on many of the issues of the day a blood mouth doesn't win allies

Yeah it's a bad argument here when applied to libs and it's a bad argument then as well. This notion that they're mad at us because secretly know we're right is pure self-aggrandizing puffery.

Hexbears can have a little smug armchair psychology. As a treat.

I don't know. Look at how much Democrats define themselves by being not Republicans. Hell, essentially ran on "nothing will fundamentally change [compared to the Obama years]." He was the generic "not Republican" candidate!

On the interpersonal level, it's pretty common to excuse one's own shortcomings with "at least I'm not like that fucking guy," especially if that fucking guy is the only other point of comparison. Imagine you aren't a very good worker but always skate by because the only other employee is even worse. What are your thoughts going to be on a new worker who comes in and does the job even decently?

Liberals are incapable of understanding politics.

Moralists don't really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Drunk out at a brewery the other night me and a friend were ragging on this lib about how shit Obama was and when he couldn’t find a way out he just started stating loudly and repeatedly that Obama was hated by americans “because he’s a SMART BLACK MAN.” Like dude sure but we’re talking about fiscal policy here wtf are you doing? Liberal ideology is a radical experiment in self-perpetuating sloganeering

I think it's happening on the subconscious/emotional level. It's not that they consciously think "oh these people are right and more moral than me, and rather than change my mind I'm going to choose to get angry". More like being exposed to a non-echo chamber is causing cognitive dissonance and/or touching on subconscious insecurities they have about their worldview.

It plays on a similar phenomena as the one that gave rise to the use of "virtue signaling" as a thought-terminating label. Insecure that you might be wrong, but unwilling to change, so you have to find a way to dismiss them rather than self-reflecting.

That's the thing though, there's an undercurrent of "actually it's responsible adulting to do bad things, sweaty" to it. They have thought terminating defense mechanisms that respond to exposure to uncompromising ethical positions on things they have proudly compromised on with rage. Fascists worshipped the suffering and death that their actions brought to everyone including their own ranks. Far right liberals believe that brutal subjugation and abuse is "responsible leadership," believing it to be bad but necessary. Mainstream liberals tie their brains in knots to ignore the suffering capitalism and the brutal violence it requires causes, finding justifications for inaction. Radlibs reflexively move towards the mainstream and concede and capitulate to it, and have been trained to be enraged by anyone who does not.

I think the contempt just manifests as cognitive dissonance.

In the manner MLK wrote in his Birmingham letter, paraphrasing: I agree with your aims but not in the manner you seek change through.

Their politics are informed from a position of privilege, strength, idealism, and at best, sympathy. Not solidarity. So sympathy-but-not-solidarity compromises the efficacy and urgency of political demands and action. An expectation that a large protest is the equivalent of forcing the state to capitulate or concede to popular demand; protests are expected and in action treated as a regulated parade/rally that neither threatens property nor order. It is supposed to be "virtue signalling".

Anything that transcends cosmetic protest is treated as civil insurrection.

despite wanting things like universal healthcare and welfare supports, they don't want to let go of capitalism

That's called social democracy. It is fed by imperialism and shits out a labor aristocracy. The capitalist class uses social democracy in the imperial core to appease the workers and postpone revolution. But it requires exporting suffering to the "developing" (colonized) world.

You see this in the so called "nordic" countries. People will admire the nordic countries without questioning how imperialism keeps them afloat.