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Pro-Life, Huh?... (lemmy.world)
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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

The one on the left has the potential to be white, so of course they care.

[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

It also has the potential to make a poor person incapable of escaping poverty.

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why has this never crossed my mind. God damn if that doesn't ring true in a variety of ways.

Black fetus? Pfft, they must have it filthy moochers. That's what you get for having sex.

White fetus? Oh no we better let this abortion slide since it's my daughter/son this time...

[-] Mandrew002@lemm.ee 36 points 1 year ago

I recently saw a Christian organization who rescued over 300 enslaved children. While this post is still valid and needs attention we need to stop pretending that it's being ignored and actually help those people who are rescuing fugitives, refugees and slaves instead of just bashing an ideology online

[-] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 26 points 1 year ago

Real talk.

I hate Christo-fascists as much as the next guy, but to think that ALL people of Christian faith are evil and tyrannical is a nonstarter unto itself.

I appreciate the glimmer of good faith arguments in this bad faith argument riddled thread.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Eh, my advice is to not hate them. Hate (albeit disguised as righteousness) is their brand... We should pity them, you know, like Jesus might.

Nothing defeats fake religious people like the positive teachings of their own professed religion. Fight cruelty with kindness.

The good eggs, that is to say the Christian/Catholic folks that actually follow the teachings of Jesus, will not mind you denigrating those of their "flock" that do not. Most of them will actually tend to apologize for them, and explain they are lost. These types also almost never try to judge you if you're not a believer.

[-] SlowNoPoPo@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

It's a matter of percentages

One consistent organization does not disprove the rule that religious people are massive hypocrites in general

[-] Syrc@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

One consistent organization does not disprove the rule that ~~religious~~ people are massive hypocrites in general

FTFY (not trying to defend the church, but still)

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's a double edged sword... I hate when people rag on religion in the same manner certain religious types rag on atheism. That feels like hipocracy, and it's very common here on Lemmy in the atheist groups.

This said, memes like the one above are fair representation of the grand majority of politically-motivated, religious voters.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

There are countries on earth where we get beheaded.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

You're not wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that people are taking this low effort meme as a fact. It's a generalization that holds very true for the masses, not an infallible statement without the possibility of exception.

I don't know any religious folks that do what your referring to... Not a one. Sure, I believe there are millions of them that do, but the majority (let's say, over 60-80 million?) don't seem to.

Nobody needs to seek out and help children in need to be a good person, there are a LOT of issues in the world that need attention.. But these types are fighting a war against women in the name of helping children, and the vast majority of them are doing nothing to actually help children. In fact, they tend to be creating massive problems for children as a whole (I'm not sure many will appreciate their mothers being 13 at birth, or their fathers being rapists, or being given up for adoption because they were 100% unwanted.)

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Even then, there's some problem christian organizations doing these things the wrong way - such as offering money for 'enslaved children' and in the process creating child slave markets where none existed.

I have no doubt these organizations have good intentions, but if people aren't more critical of these organizations they can and will do more harm than good.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

And close by my home a Catholic School won a court case, this week, where they argued they had a right to fire a part-time art teacher for getting pregnant out of wedlock. The response to hearing that someone with a low income is going to have to raise a child herself was to take away their tiny income stream.

[-] ineedaunion@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Vote blue then.

[-] Rukmer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I agree, I'm always really annoyed to see these kinds of memes. I feel like all the "but what about foster kids" or "what about refugees"? as literal whataboutism arguments against pro-life ideology is entirely unproductive. Every single foster parent I know is religious and specifically Christian (and I know quite a few because I'm trying to get into fostering myself). It's not because they're better people, but we need to stop acting like all religious people are bigoted and conservative. Because of my religious upbringing, I'm nervous around religious people. I'm nervous they'll treat us badly because we're gay, or scare my child who already has anxiety the same way they did to me, or bully my kid because he wears girl clothes, etc. And it's good to be cautious, but I've been learning a lot of religious people are not bigoted and a lot of them are not even conservative. A lot of them foster and they volunteer to help sick kids, in fact that's the only place I've been meeting them.

Also, not all pro-life people are religious. Abortion used to be a nuanced subject. Now it seems so much more divisive, but there are still a lot of left learning and nonreligious people who don't like high abortion rate, or don't like abortion outside of medical emergencies. Even one of my very best friends whom I've known for 10 years (who is gay and atheist and extremely liberal) recently said, very quietly, "I don't really think it's a good option outside of medical necessity, but I try not to speak about women's issues because it's not my place." People are afraid to stray from their "side" too loudly. I just wish people could have a real conversation without feeling like they'll get in trouble with their own people for not being extreme enough, for seeing the nuance in a complicated subject.

I think the people simply saying "you can't because God said no" are stupid, but most people have actual reasons. Likewise, the people who just make these dumb memes instead of giving any facts or insight are also not contributing. There's an actual interesting and import discussion to have about the right to live, right to terminate, etc. but it's like no one is able to talk about the actual topic, just "those guys think a bad thing and we hate them." And we absolutely need to be doing more to help enslaved children, refugees, orphans, etc.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

This issue made me an atheist. I had already lost my faith but I had decided to not really consider the question, for years. It was watching Christian leaders hate on refugees that made me sit down with myself and decide what exactly it was that I believed. They showed me it wasn't an academic question.

Since 2018 I have sheltered, in my own home, a few immigrants with their children. It is nice being my own authority on morality and not following some shaman in a man-dress.

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You're a sincerely good human for doing that. Kudos.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The process server who showed up to my door might disagree with you, haha. But thanks I appreciate that.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

If more Christians followed your actions (or the good Samaritan parable), we'd be better off. But being a good Christian by the rules is hard so here we are.

[-] Apinae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago
[-] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago

aka reproductive slavery. Crying white men having ownership over women's bodily autonomy and life cycles.

[-] Tolstoshev@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

In marketing terms, they only care about the top of funnel.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

"Top funnel" also happens to be one of the least sexy euphemisms for female genitalia ever 😂

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

These concerns are very real to many religious folks, but they are 100% derivituve of political propaganda. These types have no idea of the lengths they've been manipulated by their political party.

[-] zloubida@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I'm Christian and I agree with this meme.

[-] Prager_U@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

What's that thing on the left? Looks like it'd be good deep fried, with some sriracha mayo.

[-] Krackalot@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

Dude! That's a fucking Xenomorph!

Is that another dolphin fetus

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Oh the kid matters, as a fuck toy for pedos, or as I like to call them: Republicans.

[-] ineedaunion@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Keep them out of Home Depot conservative rapist corporation.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

We need to be better about keeping up with the goalposts. It's not about religion anymore, it's about murder now.

The argument used to be religious and defining when life begins, but that was a weak argument and "easily" solved by scientific inquiry, so now the argument is black and white: "you either murder a baby, or give birth." There is no middle ground anymore, there is no argument to be had, it's simply "you're murdering babies."

They can take this meme and say "well maybe I don't want the migrant here draining our resources, but I'm not murdering them! We deport them to someone who will help! You Democrats are the evil ones! You love to murder babies!"

It's insanely frustrating, and the whole issue is only being pushed by propagandists to bolster Republican voter numbers, but we should contend with the actual argument and not an old one that they don't use as often.

[-] gamer@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Maybe my brain is fried from all the Baldurs I've been gating recently, but I don't understand what this is trying to say. I get it's criticizing pro lifers, but don't see the connection between the top text and the bottom text, or what the bottom text is insinuating.

[-] Syrc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It’s saying that those people don’t really care whether a life is being saved or not, they say they’re pro-life for other reasons (racism, misogyny, capitalism, you name it)

[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

They want cheap, expendable solders and laborers for their vanity projects. The Christian message has mostly been repurposed as a for profit industry and it's easier to condemn others as sinners than to challenge the congregation to work on their own missteps.

this post was submitted on 14 Aug 2023
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