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The Institute for the Study of War says Russia's propaganda machine will likely use the conflict in Israel to erode the West's support for Ukraine.

"The Kremlin is already and will likely continue to exploit the Hamas attacks in Israel to advance several information operations intended to reduce US and Western support and attention to Ukraine," wrote the Washington-based think tank on Saturday.

The ISW wrote in its report that after the Hamas attacks on Saturday, the Kremlin amplified information campaigns that accused the West of ignoring Middle East conflicts to support Ukraine. These campaigns also pushed the message that global attention — in particular, resources from the West — would shift from Ukraine to the Middle East.

The institute cited examples like Russian TV host Sergey Mardan stating in his Telegram channel that the West "will take its mind off Ukraine for a while and get busy once again putting out the eternal fire in the Middle East."

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[–] WaltJRimmer@lemmy.world 88 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I also noticed that both here on Lemmy and over on Reddit that there's been a push of pro-Russian talking points and a huge push towards Islamaphobia for the past few days, starting just before the attacks this weekend.

I understand there's going to be some natural anger over the attack, but the amount of accounts I've seen, especially noticeable here on Lemmy because we just don't have as many users, who are saying things like, "This is just what Muslims are like," and, "Western countries accept these kinds of people, so expect them to do the same there," and other racist bullshit talking points. They've also been painting the ongoing conflict as unquestionably one-sided in Israel's favor.

It's depressing but kind of to be expected that there's a psyops campaign going on trying to get people outraged at not just Hamas, not just Palestine, but all of Islam right now while simultaneously trying to paint Ukrainian surrender and pro-Russian propaganda. This horrible act of terror was either in part planned by Russia or at the very least is seen as an easy opportunity to try and weaken Western support of repelling their invasion of Ukraine. Just spending a little time in the wrong circles on social media should make that obvious.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm thankful that the consensus opinion here so far seems to be relatively balanced, even if there are a small minority of asshats either trying to paint Hamas' actions as justified or trying to claim Israel did nothing wrong.

I'm saying this as a secular non-Israeli Jew who wishes Likud would just leave politics entirely and let Israel have a slightly less insane government for once.

[–] OctopusKurwa@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (12 children)

There's also been a number of suspiciously enthusiastic Cornell West voters in the comments of political communities the last few weeks.

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[–] lysol@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Iran supports Hamas and Iran is also collaborating with Russia. Just saying.

takes off tin foil hat.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Don't need much tinfoil to get to that conclusion.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah I mean they've been very public about their support and collaboration.

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[–] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Also Russia‘s propaganda campaign on this started pretty much immediately.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fuck Russia. Fuck Israel. Fuck Hamas. Fuck Azerbaijan

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And fuck Dave from accounting. He knows what he did.

[–] Nythos@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God I fucking hate Dave from accounting.

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 year ago

He WILL be when he dies and goes to hell

[–] drathvedro@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

And fuck the US, UK, China and Iran while at it, too

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My boss and I were talking about this and all it did was have us undermine the support the US gives Isreal. Weather you like the funding or not Ukraine recieving war money from the US is probably one of if not the most 'just' place war money goes as contradictory as something like war and justice can be.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 year ago

That's the thing really

War is hell and should be avoided when possible, but sometimes it's necessary and justified.

Too many people think the only kind of war is an offensive war, but there's such thing as a defensive war.

[–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sounds like it's a problem that could be unilaterally solved by the US limiting military aid to Israel instead of propping up a genocidal regime. It's not Russia's fault that US foreign policy led to their support of genocidal maniacs.

What do people say about Russia and China? That the government and the people are different entities? The same applies here. Not supporting the absolutely batshit crazy Israeli government does not indicate a lack of support for the Jewish people.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The same applies here. Not supporting the absolutely batshit crazy Israeli government does not indicate a lack of support for the Jewish people.

And progressive politicians saying that is one of the few things that unites republicans and "moderate" Dems.

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Russia supplies arms to Iran. Iran supplies arms to Hamas and was reported to have helped them plan the attack.

Hamas most likely used Russian weapons to attack Israel.

So of course Russia is going to capitalize on it.

Also, of course, Hexbear can't let too much shit talking about Russia happen so be prepared for some nasty DMs.

[–] GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Russia probably came up with this attack plan and fed it to their kgb operatives in Hamas. Their desperate to get other countries to stop supporting Ukraine, and this is just what they need to distract everyone, and give russian assets in other countries reasons to get aid to Ukraine cut.

The whole thing seems so straight out of the kgb playbook, it was probably orchestrated by Putin himself.

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[–] Mateoto@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's begun. Elon Musk(ovitch) has already disseminated anti-Semitic and false information to his followers in a now-deleted Twitter post.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Well, specifically he pointed them to accounts that spread false information, then deleted the post after people complanied.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

so now that it's deleted, is it an ex-x-post?

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

𝕏crement, but that's both for undeleted and deleted posts.

[–] DeathWearsANecktie@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

It's an ex-X (ex-Twitter) post!

[–] DeathWearsANecktie@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

It's pretty much an open goal for Kremlin propaganda.

[–] avater@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The Kreml would use a flaming bag of shit for propaganda if it's support his degenerated cause.

[–] notenoughbutter@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

likely

yeah, modi govt. is already using this war to gather votes... in India

[–] Damage@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, I don't care about Israel. If we look at it as a conflict between countries, there are no good guys there.

I just wish the EU would send their navies there to get the children and maybe the women out before the real massacre starts, but I know that's impossible.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Adults don't deserve to get out? Men don't deserve to get out?

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 8 points 1 year ago

Ironically, abducting all the women and children of a people would constitute genocidal behaviour regardless of any positive anti-genocide intentions.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 6 points 1 year ago

Children deserve it more, if anyone is powerless to change the status quo it's them

[–] uis@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Who would have guesses. Fucking crab.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


"The Kremlin is already and will likely continue to exploit the Hamas attacks in Israel to advance several information operations intended to reduce US and Western support and attention to Ukraine," wrote the Washington-based think tank on Saturday.

The ISW wrote in its report that after the Hamas attacks on Saturday, the Kremlin amplified information campaigns that accused the West of ignoring Middle East conflicts to support Ukraine.

The institute cited examples like Russian TV host Sergey Mardan stating in his Telegram channel that the West "will take its mind off Ukraine for a while and get busy once again putting out the eternal fire in the Middle East."

Meanwhile, Dmitry Medvedev, the former Russian president and deputy chairman of the Security Council of Russia, also posted similar messages on X — formerly Twitter — on Saturday.

Ukraine was indeed left out of a stopgap funding measure passed by Congress on September 30, which averted a US government shutdown until mid November.

The Russian leader claimed on Friday that financial and military assistance from the West to Ukraine gets cut off, the country will be able to "live for only a week."


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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Biden should just tie Ukraine military aid to Israeli military aid. No matter what happens, it's win-win!

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