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[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 114 points 11 months ago

“The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.” ― John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath

[-] reverendsteveii@sopuli.xyz 58 points 11 months ago

I seem to recall food stores paying armed security to guard their trash. They spent money guarding trash with guns rather than letting someone survive that capitalism has deemed "unworthy"

[-] MrBusiness@lemmy.zip 7 points 11 months ago

Weird that we're letting sociopaths run things and not barring them from positions of power. Why are we letting it be an argument that there should be a higher basic standard of living? Can't give food cause there's no profit in it, abundance in homelessness but companies buying up houses is okay, second and third rate medical care cause it's cheaper for the insurance companies.

[-] Jakdracula@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago

To a capitalist, a forest has no value until it’s cut down.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 15 points 11 months ago

Or counted as offsetting five times the carbon emissions it eventually might, given ideal future circumstances.

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[-] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 45 points 11 months ago

This was the reason for the Irish potato famine. They were growing wheat but we're forced to sell it or they would lose their farms to landlords.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago

There was plenty of food. It was largely requisitioned by the British military.

The peasants were allowed to grow some food for their own survival: which mostly were potatoes. When the blight swept the island, the plentiful edible food was still taken, and the farmers were left with nothing. The ones that tried to keep any bread, milk or butter lost their farms, if not their lives.

It is why it is called the Great Hunger.

[-] trailing9@lemmy.ml 23 points 11 months ago

To prevent starving, establish UBI.

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[-] Sylocule@lemmy.one 20 points 11 months ago

I believe UBI will never come to pass because the rich have too much to lose. Imagine a workforce not beholden to the capitalists?

[-] batmangrundies@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

"The rich" have names and addresses.

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

And never walk without a small army.

[-] Daisyifyoudo@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Their small army is a miniscule fraction of the size of the working class

[-] batmangrundies@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Work smart, not hard.

You have to understand that the housing crisis, in Aus at least is no longer just affecting the most disadvantaged. It's also affecting middle-aged folks with with defence intelligence backgrounds, as an example.

Besides, I'm talking about civili disobedience that inconveniences them and reminds them that they share our streets and our infrastructure. And they rely on an army of union workers to keep it all going.

I'm not talking about rolling out guillotines yet.

(A lot of what I say should be taken in context, I am Australian, not American).

[-] MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Im Australian as well and did a bit of number crunching the other day. I live in suburban sprawl 40 minutes from the middle of Brisbane and 40 minutes from the middle of the gold coast. Much worse if there's traffic. No particular natural beauty to speak of. It's an upper blue collar suburb, lots of qualified tradies, wives have a part time gig while the kids are at school.

The median house price is 750k. There is very little variance. All houses are pretty much the same. Right now the cheapest is $650k with 10 houses under 750k (maybe 100 houses on the market right now)

There are 3141 households in the suburb The weekly repayments on 750k is just over $1000/week on a 30 year loan

Of those households, only 2200 households earn enough money to pay the mortgage. That's not earn enough and live, literally earn enough just to pay it and then you cant eat, no electricity, rates etc.

https://profile.id.com.au/gold-coast/household-income?WebID=410

So that leaves 70% who can even just exist.

Affordable housing is considered as being 30% of your income, (https://www.ahuri.edu.au/analysis/brief/understanding-3040-indicator-housing-affordability-stress) that's supposed to cover rates and maintenance too, but let's just see who can afford to pay the mortgage:

270 homes. That's only 8.5%. 8.5% of homes in my suburb can afford to pay the MEDIAN mortgage and live without housing stress.

In that link above it considers that the bottom 40% of houses should not be paying more than 30% of their income. This suburb is great for that because I would suggest it's pretty low-average as far as income goes. It's the definition of what should be affordable housing.

That means we need to see the median house fall to 30% of the $1250-$1499 income bracket. IE repayments at $450/week - or a median house price of $315,000

Basically prices need to halve, or incomes need to double.

It doesn't make any sense how the economy hasn't collapsed yet. I would love someone to explain to me how it all adds up, because when I try to discuss it people just shrug and say "They are worth that much and it's not coming down" like how is anyone affording it?

[-] batmangrundies@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Yeah thanks for taking the time to post this. So Americans and others can get an idea of just how bad it can get.

I know why it hasn't collapsed yet, it's because folks like me are hanging on. My wife and I moved to a rural location that will never be expensive to rent in. And vetted landlords as best we could.

So many folks are trying to adapt and kicking the can. But there's only so much we can stretch. People are already moving back in with their parents, building granny flats out back and so on.

I was making 90k, but with no generational wealth to back me, I was making just enough to pay rent in a major city, pay my bills and feed myself. Working 13hr days for the priveledge.

Changing careers and joining a union right now.

[-] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

If enough people want it, they can overpower the relatively few rich. But most of the people have bought I to the lies of the rich; social media is probably a convenient tool for the rich and powerful to control the opinions of others.

[-] batmangrundies@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

It's changing. At least here in Australia, it feels like there has been a shift.

[-] MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

Please elaborate on what you have witnessed?

[-] batmangrundies@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

The election we had? Conservative seats flipping to Greens. Good ol' boy Nats voters acknowledging that young people are indeed fucked and something needs to change.

I live in the birthplace of Australian union organising. So attitudes here may not reflect the country at large.

But the last election was a pretty big step in the right direction. Even if it wasnt as big a shift as I would have liked. It was the renter voting block that delivered the W.

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Actually the capitalists have the most incentive to implement UBI. Better paid workers are more likely to turn around and buy the shit they were just making for themselves, and if the rich are not kept away from the megaphone, an improperly done UBI will be made an excuse to strip welfare benefits.

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[-] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

This is some Facebook quality content right here.

[-] kaqqao@programming.dev 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What the image says is true. What the title says is dumb. Strange combo, immune to both upvotes and downvotes (from me, at least).

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 24 points 11 months ago

For real, like the literal headlines attached to it were that they had to dump because they'd run out of storage capacity and didn't have enough transit infrastructure to move their stuff during the lockdowns.

I didn't spend the latter half of 21 learning more about supply chain management than any man should have to because of the news for some self righteous twit to just outright lie about my trauma even happening!/s

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[-] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 15 points 11 months ago

Yeah, even though governments have sometimes stepped in and prevented free market to do its own thing to keep prices somewhat low or in disasters (for instance, here in my country farmers are subsidized to keep food prices low, and various governments during covid didn't wait for free market to step in to deal with the pandemic and funded the relief effort by themselves), capitalism has been critiqued endlessly, its contradictions pointed out over 200 years and due to what the post refers to and countless other reasons, capitalism should definitely be replaced.

The issue is that the left hasn't really organized themselves and provided an alternative and by that I mean something akin to a step by step solution. What happens now when the left gets into power in a country is some random small tweaks such as making healthcare and worker lives a bit better, adding taxes on cars - nothing that tackles the core problem which is capitalism.

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[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

I hate that this image was chosen to attach to this statement.

[-] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago
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[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

"'Dammit' is a strong word. That's why I used it."

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[-] uis@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Meanwhile most of dumped milk was dumped in US

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Op is a fucking retard. It was because they had no storage facilities to take it not to keep demand high.

[-] LavaPlanet@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Hey man, don't need to go that far. The concept and context of his argument are solid. Look at diamonds, for instance. It's done, even if his example wasn't spot on. Maybe. Where I am the dairy farmers are selling their cattle for meat, because the supermarkets have strong armed such low prices, they can't afford to even operate. While the milk on the shelf isn't cheap.

[-] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

Diamonds are a luxury item that no one needs. Can't say I'm terribly upset about that.

[-] Getawombatupya@aussie.zone 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Don't milk cows, lactation stops. No milk until the next calf is born. Outside the ethics of bovine milk, if the supply chain has ground to a halt, and food safety regulations mean you can't sell warm, unpasteurised, unfiltered milk at your front gate (Yay, faeces and gravel) then it's going to be tipped because it needs to be in this instance.

[-] gayhitler420@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

The us government famously has a cheese storage facility intended for just this purpose.

Well, not this purpose. It’s intended to allow the government to buy surplus at near market rates to subsidize the dairy industry.

But there’s literally a place to put it already paid for by your tax dollars.

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[-] wasd4321@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

So do you propose communism or will you step in and tell us what to do to fix this?

[-] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

The icon of this community is quite literally a hammer and sickle, with the sickle replaced as a keyboard. They're proposing communism lol

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[-] Kirkkh@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

This happens because it’s subsidized and they’re required to. They do this with sugar and strawberries too (they keep the sugar for as long as possible).

This also happens with magazines and high-end fashion (mostly accessories, which they damage before disposing).

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