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laments the slow pace of new material in the communities.
Participation. We need more of it. Like...a lot more of it.
Lurkers shouldn't lurk, and people should give others the benefit of the doubt far more often than they ever did on Reddit, if they ever did at all. Make Lemmy a community where engagement is valuable and fun and actually useful.
Artificial engagement only gets you so far.
I only say something when I have something to say. If I don't, then it becomes a chore.
I try to say it when I have something to say though. I didn't always bother on Reddit.
Mostly this
On Reddit I usually didn't comment anything, even if I had something to say. I do comment here, and a big part is that more people actually engage here.
Oh, right. The poison. The poison for Kuzco, the poison chosen especially to kill Kuzco, Kuzco's poison.
To add to this, artificial engagement is disingenuous. It's akin to corporate-owned comment sections inviting people to "speak their mind" which, of course, no one does.
It's a balance that should be kept: being willing to contribute, but not feeling forced to contribute. Quality begets quality, and if we compromise on quality chasing quantity, we would end up copying the worst of Reddit.
OC brings people. Adopt a community you wish was bigger and make a personal commitment to post to it daily.
For bonus points convince two other people to adopt their own community. We'll pyramid scheme this sucker with content.
It took a serious change in attitude for me to not become a lurker anymore. I always figured that if I have nothing interesting to say, I should just be quiet.
Eventually I realized that people are often happy to just get some feedback and interaction, even if it isn't the most interesting or original response. As long as it's done in a positive and friendly manner, you're creating a sense of community.
Lurkers shouldnโt lurk
you're not my real dad!
I actually think Lemmy needs more work before it grows much bigger. The mod tools are really lackluster currently. And that was a big reason people wanted to leave Reddit.
It's tough to sell some of the niche communities without proper spoiler tagging, too. Need something easier to use that works on all platforms.
Proper spoiler tagging is important
I Jerboa uses this format
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Without the spaces between the colons, this is just to show what it looks like.
: : :
Title
This is with the spaces removed
Make valuable original content here that's not found elsewhere, post and comment thoughtfully as much as possible(No. Pun. Chains). Don't try to turn this place into reddit, be better than reddit.
People who are on reddit that wanted to come here right now has already done so, so it's important to drew in people who has never used reddit before here instead of always waiting for reddit to do something stupid.
Also less celeb gossip please, need a place where I can get away from that on the Internet.
the last point should be ignored, the whole point of lemmy is to have as many communties as possible and subscribe to the ones you like. you can defederate ones you dont like
Also less celeb gossip please, need a place where I can get away from that on the Internet.
You get celeb gossip? I believe I'm somehow connected to the sewage hose that's Elon Musk posts. I'd love for some more varied content instead of "[rich idiot] said [something incredibly stupid]"
We need to cut back the bot traffic a touch. All new people coming and see are a million posts with no participation. It's good to have the content but we're kind of lacking in curation and a lot of what's coming over is not stuff we're interested in commenting on. As long as we just keep carbon copying Reddit and Twitter and the Verge and hundreds of other places, we're going to have a lot of empty post sitting around.
Actual discourse and discussion needs to happen. We're fairly low on trolls currently, which is a fantastic thing. But we also don't have a lot of spicy takes either.
More moderation, administration tools, better filters, easier ways to shut out bad actors. Right now the best we can do is defederate when somebody can't manage their clientele. And we're still way too bot-able.
More migration tools something I can to what mastodon does if you need to move instances.
#1: Absolutely.
#2: I've seen some spicy takes, at least in the politics communities. Others, people are generally just more chill. I consider that a feature.
#3: The upcoming 0.19.0 will let users block instances as well as users/communities. Filters are unfortunately a client-specific feature right now, but fortunately there are a lot of clients to choose from now.
#4: 0.19.0 has this. Users can export their profile settings data (including subscriptions and blocklists) and import those elsewhere.
The upcoming 0.19.0 will let users block instances as well as users/communities
Oh hell yeah! Finally!
We need a better site to link to than join-lemmy.org. It should concisely pitch lemmy to everyday users and suggest an instance for them to sign up at. Don't get into the weeds about federation or choosing instances or selecting apps. Just select a sane default and point people to it. Rotate defaults to avoid overloading a given instance or making it too powerful.
It's not only the "base" instance IMO, most servers have wildly different communities.
There should IMO be some way to search for communitues from any server (and subscribe to them, which is a real hassle especially if your base server doesn't yet know about them). I like the endless flow of memes as much as the next person, but what I really want is a bunch of communities I'm interested in so that I can lurk, ask questions and eventually create some hi quality content.
CW: Unpopular opinion?
I've looked back at a few reddit threads, and I'm thankful most of those users aren't coming here. I'm alright with the current level of content and participation. What little there is here is still better than most of what's on r/all, and it's not like we want to attract advertisers and self-promoting accounts.
I agree with you, I like that it feels more cozy and there are way fewer trolls/devil's advocate types that I've run into here. And that's from my multiple different accounts that I've test drived on different instances. I personally think that lemmy is too confusing for people to settle into due to the nature of federation and such so its only gonna be people really committed to getting away from mainstream social media that will come over long term.
Don't focus on looking for ways to find new members. Focus on ways to make people who find the fediverse want to stay. Accomplish that by putting something here that they like to see and want to see again.
When they join the Fediverse, or when they come to visit and consider joining, they're going to search for the stuff they want to see. They might look for memes, but more likely, they're going to look for their hobbies. If the only hobbies reflected here are gaming and programming and the fediverse itself, most people are not going to want to stay, the userbase is going to develop an even heavier bias towards certain types of people, it will become more alienating to other types of people, and it will stagnate.
Make an effort to post about and comment about other things. Cooking, movies, TV, sports, fashion, hair, plants, decor, architecture, history, religion, travel, a nearby city or town. Join those communities. Remember, when you see a cool article about nutrition, or a cool video guide to Copenhagen that you think people will enjoy, share it here. Post it, even if the community is small and you don't think people will care, because we need to seed communities with something. This is what I've been doing in a few communities, but mostly in !malefashionadvice. It's been frustrating, I haven't really been able to build the community up yet, but it's okay.
While we're at it, don't alienate people by posting, commenting about, or upvoting things that... suck. Keep all forms of bigotry at the door. If you're a hardcore libertarian or tankie or militant atheist... I'm not going to tell you to stop believing what you believe, but try to cool it, like 10%? Please? Nobody wants you breathing down their throats with extremism.
And... I've done this too, but let's make sure that we're not focusing too much on meta posts. They can be worthwhile, but they also are not what new people want to see.
I dig. I'll make an effort to post in my hobby subs (woodworking and 3d printing) to get some good shit in there. ๐
Good comments in here about the need for better mod tools etc. Not something I normally think about myself.
If we could stop pretending we're superior to other social media that might be a start. The number of posts talking shit about the "average redditor" or suggesting that we need more "high quality content than reddit", or that everything needs to have a meaningful discussion is exhausting. We as a group seem to want to dictate who can comment, who can post, what kind of post is acceptable, and are fairly mean to newer people. You won't keep new people if you're rude to them or they see post after post trashing them.
Engagement comes at the price of low effort sometimes. So does content. Not every post or comment will be a shining beacon of perfection. Sometimes people just want to talk. Some of them are starved for human interaction.
Stop trash talking the lurkers. They may be sharing what content there is here and driving people to Lemmy instances. They're an important part of the ecosystem.
Ask what caliber of people you want here. Because it is very apparent to me that the loudest members only want a specific type of community member here. And they are very outspoken about that fact. But are they actively extending a hand to those people when they encounter them on any other platform? Word of mouth (or keyboard) works. It's slow but it works.
Might've missed it but I haven't seen anyone say "Make it not awful to use"
It's helpful to say that we need better onboarding infographics to simplify explaining how to use Lemmy, but also, Lemmy needs to be easier to use. Finding and following communities is far too complicated.
I come here everyday out of sheer bloody mindedness because I want it to work, not because I enjoy it. Yet.
Lemmy needs to be easier to use. Finding and following communities is far too complicated.
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3071#issuecomment-1653885992
We need to get this proposal implemented. It would pretty much solve the issue.
Not-so-secret of Reddit success (vs other link aggregators) was that they allowed NSFW content. Set up a separate opt-in corner of Fediverse to post that stuff and a big chunk of reddit will migrate over.
Community grouping. It would massively increase the available content, and make lemmy much easier to browse.
Give it time. The platform exploded in popularity in a few months, let us [current users] let the last batch of newcomers to settle in before calling more folks in. Plus we don't even have much control over it, at the end of the day Lemmy grows as Reddit does stupid shit that makes it lose trust with its userbase.
Unfortunately it's just a waiting game really, we grow slowly. Bringing people over is good, but they'll follow the content. As people come, posters will come too, and commenters, and then that's what ultimately brings over the rest.
If you build it, they will come.
It's the reason I've been motivated to post as much as I do, both in broader communities and a handful of niche ones that I want to see grow.
If you've thought about posting/commenting but just haven't yet, take the plunge! I never used to post on reddit at all, and I've been pretty active since joining Lemmy.
Stop shitting all over people just because they don't agree with you on everything
There should be an instance with an actual registered organization behind it - privacy policy & all to back up its legitimacy. Without this, Lemmy is a hard sell for a lot of people who don't want to just hand off their information to a person who may or may not be doing certain things with it.
Linking to Lemmy image posts is a bad experience. This use case needs to be much better because content is the main way that non-Lemmy users can be motivated to join Lemmy. I tried to share this with a friend yesterday, and had to explain that the image I actually wanted them to see is locked behind a tiny thumbnail, and that the full size Good Place Janet someone commented is not what I wanted them to see (at least not without the context of the posted image).
There's no way to open a shared Lemmy link in your client of choice. You can manually add URLs on Android, but you have to do that for every Lemmy instance, so that's not going to fly. I don't know if there's any solution at all on iOS.
There's not a good way to control what content I see. It's essentially either "everything" or "a single community". On Reddit, you could already have multiple communities about the same topic on Reddit, but usually one was dominant, and you had multireddits to save you if there truly are a few good related subreddits. Now on Lemmy, you multiply that problem by N instances, and subtract the multireddit feature. This situation simply must be made better somehow.
Just casually mention it on other forums where appropriate. For example, any thread about how sucky Reddit is, explain there are other places to go, like Lemmy.
Fix the design flaws first. Especially broken incentives for toxicity and lack of moderation tools. It's too big already right now.
Let it happen organically. It will happen in waves.
I think Reddit is going to make some new even more moronic decision after they IPO and there will be another exodus. This time around it can handle it and it's mature enough to not have the same issues as before.
Most people are familiar with the reddit app. There should be a "reddit for lemmy" app that is as terrible as the reddit app
I say we should dress up in nice suits, and go door to door asking if people have heard of our great community haven, thanks to the Great Lemming who we keep forgetting the name of. Ramen.
we could offer every new member a free pony and maybe a soft drink of their choice
More political memes. Also more cringey conversatuions about how, actually, everything is political. Victory awaits.