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[–] rutenl@lemmy.ml 77 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you can't outright solve a problem you shouldn't try to improve the situation >:(

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 year ago (13 children)

How is this improving the situation. Do people only throw away the caps? I think this is just some stupid law so that they can say they tried. I still think soda cans are just a better solution and make it mandatory that companies recycle their own waste.

[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I still think soda cans are just a better solution

That actually sounds like a good idea to me, or you could make them similar in design to those water-bottles that have the cap meant to stay with the bottle, shown in:

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Whereas the existing design is similar to the old pull tabs that were on cans which caused ecological damage when people discarded them on the ground.

I wish they'd instead go after the big companies doing the majority of the damage, but I suppose this's where the cards lay. (For now)

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think its easily solvable you just make it mandatory that companies recycle their own bottles and they WILL find a way to make it cheao.

[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Did you reply to the wrong comment?

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[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

The parks in my area have far more bottle caps on the ground than bottles

[–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do people only throw away the caps?

Well yes, many throw caps and bottle separately and the people that throw their trash anywhere will certainly not care about the caps.

make it mandatory that companies recycle their own waste.

Lol.

In what country is it mandatory for companies to recycle soda cans ?

[–] Pyrozo007@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Denmark lol

unfortunately yes, i've seen lots of just caps thrown around as litter

[–] newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or just introduce the Pfand system Europe wide

[–] lud@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Pant is great.

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What? Don't be ridiculous. Of course you should still try to improve the situation. That's like saying trucks that get 7MPG are bad for the environment but don't bother making trucks that get 20MPG because it still runs on fossil fuels.

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[–] Z3k3@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This explains a lot.

It's also annoying because my recycling bin for plastics wants the bottle but for some reason not the caps. They are to go in rhe general waste

[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is because bottle caps are ordinarily too small to be useful recyclable material, as when separated they are hard to get together in enough quantity.

While attached to the bottle, they should be viable recyclables.

[–] Z3k3@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Someone should tell my council.

My pure guess with no evidence was perhaps they were made of a different plastic

[–] zik@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sadly, a very low percentage of plastic gets recycled anyway. In my country recycling company stats say only 10% - 20% of collected plastic is recycled. But the reality is much worse than that.

It turns out that nearly all of even that small percentage just gets shipped to a poor country for recycling because it's too expensive to recycle here. Once it's been shipped it's considered "recycled" but since recycling is expensive the company receiving it just takes the money and quietly landfills it in their own country.

The reality is that plastic recycling barely happens at all.

[–] PM_ME_FEET_PICS@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Largely due to the fact that people confuse resin ID codes as recyclable labels and don't know which types of plastics can be recycled in thier area.

[–] zik@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Even the theoretically recyclable ones don't usually get recycled because it's economically unviable in most cases.

that explains why those all suddenly become attached

[–] wieson@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I'm still flabbergasted that neither France, ~~the Netherlands~~, Switzerland, Austria nor Poland have Pfand (aka a money back deposit thing) for plastic bottles. It's such an integrated part of my life, that I wonder why other countries haven't adopted it.

[–] Scribbd@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago

Netherland got them now on:

  • Beer (crates)
  • Big plastic bottles (±1,5L)
  • Small plastic bottles
  • Aluminium Soda Cans (Newest one)

It's called 'statiegeld' here and we got them as long as I can remember. It's is just recently it also covers the small plastic bottles and soda cans.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah I live in US and there are people around here going around picking out of people's trash for cans and plastic bottles probably to get the few cents that they're worth.

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[–] ultra@feddit.ro 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, that's why every beverage now has these shitty caps. Worth it if it helps fight pollution tho

[–] venji10@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

well, it is just annoying

[–] jernej@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Am I the only one who loves the new cap design?

[–] Rayuza@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yes youre literally the only one

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's fucking annoying and it's completely backwards. The cap is constantly in the way when I try to pour the contents into a glass, so shit spills everywhere. I just snip the plastic umbilical cord with some scissors or rip the cap off.

Another nonsensical bill. Add it to the pile.

[–] Sunfoil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you can't handle a slightly different lid design, you're going to hate it when you have to actually make lifestyle changes for us to not all die.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I can handle it by circumventing the pointless change. Nice slippery slope you set up there tho.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean that's less stupid than "Paper Straws"

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] iamkindasomeone@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

Some of them are for sure.

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[–] Pyrozo007@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

My girlfriend can't screw them back on properly so right now she only uses each drinks bottle once

I hate the things so much because they hurt to use, can't really be used one-handed and also make it difficult to drink from the bottle because of the weird angles they implicate.

So I've been cutting the caps off and cutting the little limbs off and making what was previously one piece of plastic into three, which I obviously also hate doing.

In the past I would always screw the lid back on before binning it, either to trap the air out or for the sake of completeness, so in my particular case this policy is very much the worst of all worlds, I hope the data shows that I'm an edge case though if they're passing it into law.

[–] thySatannic@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Ah so that’s why all caps suddenly suck :/. stubbornly pulls cap off of the bottle

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Every cap should just be like those water bottle caps that pop up and down, and then use less plastic by making them unremovable.

[–] Perfide@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago

Making them unremovable would use more plastic. A lot of people reuse those sports cap bottles.

[–] boratul@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

my biggest pain in 2023...

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