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President Joe Biden is arguing that “there is something dangerous happening in America” as he revives his warnings that Donald Trump and his allies represent an existential threat to the country’s democratic institutions.

There is an extremist movement that does not share the basic beliefs of our democracy. The MAGA movement,” Biden says in excerpts of the speech Thursday in Arizona, released in advance by the White House, referring Trump’s Make America Great Again slogan.

Although voting in the 2024 Republican primary doesn’t begin for months, Biden’s focus reflects Trump’s status as the undisputed frontrunner for his party’s nomination despite facing four indictments, two of them related to his attempts to overturn Biden’s victory in the 2020 election.

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[–] o0joshua0o@lemmy.world 103 points 1 year ago (4 children)

He's absolutely right. The GOP wants to abandon democracy and install Trump as a dictator. We are on a dangerous precipice.

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”—David Frum, Republican speech writer under W. Bush

This was not a warning. It was a threat.

[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

It was a warning. Frum is and always has been a staunch never-Trumper. He's still a conservative, but he was never on board with Trump and to his credit has been pretty vocal in his opposition.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Oh my god, it was a republican that said that? That makes that line scarier, because that means was probably said with the idea that abandoning democracy is a good thing.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

*trump or preferably any fascist Federalist society ghoul.

Their plan to end democracy is public even. They're that confident/desperate. Leeja had a good video recently covering it.

[–] mayo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had not given my brain the space to imagine that Trump would be the choice of dictator. I guess there would never be a 'good' dictator candidate but damn that would be insane.

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[–] krey@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Putin wants that too, btw.

[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world 95 points 1 year ago

MAGAts are traitors.

They tried to destroy our democracy and install Trump as dictator. They trampled and beat hundreds of police officers in an attempt get their hands on the vice president in order to lynch him.

Republicans are so lawless and disdainful of our justice system that they aren't even a little bit bothered that Trump was found liable for rape and fraud. They don't care in the slightest that Trump is out on bail for trying to steal the election, and for stealing classified documents.

Republicans are attempting to impeach a newly elected judge for the singular reason that she acknowledged the legally decided fact that Republicans cheated and gerrymandered their state to seize power without the consent of the governed.

Republicans have become echo chambers for Putin's propaganda, openly siding with our enemies over our allies.

Republicans are openly plotting to replace all the NONPARTISAN long-term government employees with violently partisan stooges who don't come anywhere close to meeting the bare minimum requirements for doing these essential jobs.

Make no mistake at all: Republicans are a minority party with no interest anything but seizing power and harming anyone who they decide is an enemy. They can't win over the voters with their perverted ideology, so they are determined to do ANYTHING inside or outside the bounds of the law, or even basic human decency, in order to steal the country from real Americans.

Republicans must be stopped, because if they gain power, they will make sure we never have anything close to a real election again. We will be living under a Christian theocracy, every bit as sick and hateful as the Taliban.

[–] Hairyblue@kbin.social 47 points 1 year ago

Joe Biden is right about this. Republicans don't believe in our democracy and they don't want people who vote against them to be able to vote.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes! Push this! They're UnAmerican! Let everyone know!

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They're American. They're the worst of us. But they're American. We can and should be better than them though. But we can't do that by acting like them.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can be an American citizen and be UnAmerican. They reject the basic ideals this country was founded upon. That makes them fundamentally UnAmerican.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I definitely want to agree with you. No question there. But any country that enshrined slavery in their constitution. As we have. Who has fascisticaly toppled foreign governments for wealthy business interests. As we have. Who participated in genocide of native peoples up till at least the 1970s that we know of. As we have. Definitely matches their desires and behaviors quite well.

Not enough to make me question that those of us that want better might be the unamerican ones. But enough to recognize our failings as a country. And the difficult road ahead to be who we want to be, us. Vs who we've historically been, them.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They might technically be citizens but they are unpatriotic fifth columnists. And that's being nice. It might be more correct to call them domestic terrorists: many of them openly moon over the idea of an actual shooting civil war and/or a government that will let them kill Americans that disagree with them and/or are the wrong color/ethnicity/religion, etc.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Makes democracy a touchstone"

Wow man... It's become this bad.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck yeah I knew this Dark Brandon was coming. Going to be a long couple years.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 year ago

Well the spineless Republican candidates jockying for the vice presidency aren't going to say it.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I think this guy sucks, but he's not wrong here. I'll vote for him again because as shitty as he is, he's not going to completely destroy our country and/or destabilize the entire world.

If Trump is elected, that guy is going to hand Ukraine to Putin, and sever ties between the US and the majority of our allies in Europe.

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I think it's important to note that Trump's "extremist movement" is the mainstream GOP.

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[–] clutch@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

.... about fucking time?

But all politicians are equally at fault for not leglislating to ensure workers have livable salaries and encouraging the "outsourcing" thing that moved jobs overseas so people could buy cheaper Walmart stuff.

It's no secret. They make no attempt to hide their scorn for democratic principles.*

For example mininizing the number of eligible citizens who vote, by intimidation, "technical issues", restricting in person voting times, targetting early and mail-in voting to name only a few tactics.

Also compare their legislative priorities with what actual Americans want... almost nothing in common. They continue to push a radical Christofascist agenda and are actually willing to destroy the country if they can't get their way.

Republicans are the party of cruelty and misanthropy now, that is their absolute worst failing.

*Not our "democracy" because it has never been a democracy, but I'll give him a pass there since literally every American politician abuses the language and people aren't educated enough to know the difference.

[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Let's go Joe! Hope my fellow Zoomers go out and vote.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago

The story of Joe Biden and his incredible perseverance, through hurdles and tragedies, is tremendously relatable to the common citizen. This man dusts himself off and charges headlong back into the fray after every setback. Lesser men would crumble, if faced with his challenges.

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