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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 8 points 39 minutes ago

I was briefly into 40k in the 00s, but once the 2010s started I slowly started getting an ick feeling from it but I couldn't quite put my finger on it.

specifically, I was still cool with most of the lore, but the Imperium fanboys were getting to be unfun to be around. As I got older and wised up, I figured out around the same time many others did, that these same people just had a fascism fetish in general.

so with all that said.

Death to the false emperor Let the galaxy burn BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 1 points 3 minutes ago

It's quite simple really.

If they play the Death Korps of Krieg, who look like this they're probably really nice people.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 198 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

If you ask someone if they are Nazis, and their answer is to get confused and ask about the premise of the question, there is about a 90% chance they are Nazis. Non-Nazis will say, "What? No, definitely not."

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 57 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

If you ask someone who isn't a Nazi if they're a Nazi out of nowhere then confusion seems pretty valid. If there's a premise to it that they understand (by being Nazis or acting like ones) you'd get less genuine confusion.

[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

If the context is 40k, definitely not an unexpected question.

[–] Hupf@feddit.org 2 points 45 minutes ago

Hellsing Abridged on the topic.

[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Is there something about the tabletop portion of the community I don't get? I just like the lore of the universe and if someone asked me if I was a nazi based on that I would be very confused.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 minutes ago

Think about it this way, if you joined WWII reenactment, you'll mostly come across guys that have a general interest in WWII and will play the role of most factions (including Germany if needed). But you will also run into guys who are enthusiastically on the German side 90% and less happy playing anything else. That second guy is most likely a Nazi but tries to maintain plausible deniability

[–] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

I too am confused about the correlation since I've never run into nazis playing 40k. Though to be fair I run slaaneshi chaos so I don't think I'm in their demo of black templars.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 hours ago

Right, in that context it wouldn't be.

[–] ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 10 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Meh depends on the setting. My partner and I are organizing smaller concerts from time to time. If we are about to book an unknown band sooner or later we have to ask the Nazi question.

The setting here feels similar.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Of course setting, their actions and whatnot matter. It isn't out of nowhere if there's some context for it that the recipient also understands.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 minutes ago

In 40k where the Imperium are outright fascists, the context is already there

[–] nickhammes@lemmy.world 23 points 6 hours ago (8 children)

Yeah but even if there's some initial confusion, most normal people will get to a clear negative answer pretty quickly.

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 83 points 8 hours ago

I would also accept "did you just call me a fucking nazi?"

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 26 points 8 hours ago

This is the answer right here.

[–] Nanowith@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

GI Robot: "Oh boy..."

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 128 points 10 hours ago (8 children)

Always amazing when people don't get satire.

My Dad actually thought Starship Troopers was pro-military.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 hours ago

The book is pro military, the movie is a very intentional satire.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 30 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

[–] Hominy_Hank@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

So, I have read and been told this many times before. Some times I will rewatch the movie to try and see that narrative. And I'll admit, I'm and idiot. But I can't get past the idea of: Bugs are just icky, no matter the size. Remove at all costs.

[–] Johanno@feddit.org 4 points 51 minutes ago

I watched it way back when I was young and didn't get any of the satire. I watched in my 20s and I asked myself:

You have technology to move through space and shit, they could just rain bombs from orbit or throw asteroids onto the planet. But no! The best way to fight is to use masses of underquipped soldiers that fight the horrors of bugs.

The war seems secondary, killing soldiers looks like the first priority in these movies.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 hour ago

The most satire parts are not about fighting the bugs. The "only a dead ... is a good ..." is a classic fascist trope, but it's the parts about disregard of human life and health and the propaganda in the movie that really mock fascism.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 18 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

Except they aren't bugs in your home, they're isolated to their own planet already.

Plus, consider the justification for the attack;

"the bugs attacked Earth first"

REALLY?

Consider the amount of maths and physics knowledge for us to get to our own moon. We have to calculate the trajectory of our own moon, the spin of the Earth, gravity, etc.

Now, in the movie, apparently the bugs bombed Earth.

FUCKING HOW. They exist outside our solar system. The level of maths for this is impossible without computers.

Not only have you got all the complications we had for a celestial body which was closest to us, but our sun has its own orbit within the milky way.

The narrative that the bugs attacked Earth first was a false flag. It was almost certainly just a meteor which couldn't be stopped, which gave someone a reason to keep the perpetual motion machine of Fascism alive.

Without a common enemy, Fascism turns inwards.

[–] So_zetta_slowpoke@lemmy.world 2 points 57 minutes ago

Lol alright, so earlier in the movie, Carmen is learning to fly the spaceship and has an accident where the run into the asteroid, which changes its trajectory and sends it to Earth, where it hits Buenos Aires. Carmen caused the whole thing 🤣

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

It's very likely that the Earth military lobbed it toward earth as a pretext for war. The big planet was light years away (across the galaxy? I forget) and there was propaganda extolling the orbital defenses of Earth right before the hit. They had an orbital ring station around the Moon! No way they could miss a rock that big.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

The film is so on the nose, that in the end they come out with actual nazi uniforms and child soldiers and people still didn't get it.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 28 points 9 hours ago

Well, the book is... The movie tho, yeah Paul Verhoeven has opinions about fascists. 😂

His commentary on that film is truly one of the better commentary tracks I've ever listened to.

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 68 points 10 hours ago (10 children)

How?

That movie has the subtlety of a brick to the head

[–] licheas@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Because the dad read the book, and hasn't seen the movie.

The book definitely is pro-military.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 3 points 4 hours ago

Actually, it was the movie lol.

[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 89 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

So did The Boys and Helldiver's 2, and yet a substantial population of conservatives took it literally. Now The Boys has to be so blatant, it's not as funny anymore.

Some people are just idiots, just the way it is.

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Lmao about the boys. I started watching that and definitely in the first season it wasn’t even subtle, by the 4th season, which apparently is when conservatives got mad (?), it was beating you into submission with the messaging. Like, subtlety was not even in the lexicon, more like bulldozing you.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 14 points 6 hours ago

I stopped watching after season 2 because I couldn't stand the lack of subtlety - despite loving the original comic which is... not subtle at all.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe if they paid more attention in English (and history) class, they wouldn't miss subtext the size of a tractor trailer running into them. But conservatives and STEM bros almost always seem to be on the same page with that shit "No one needs English classes, it's always just like 'hur the curtains are blue' bro."

[–] Contramuffin@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago

Science here - a lot of my fellow scientists like the humanities and definitely are not missing the point. At least in the pure sciences, we tend to encourage all education, regardless of field.

Just be aware that STEM encompasses way more people than you're specifically referring to

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