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[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Oh shit maybe we'll see someone companies switch to an alternative instead of paying microshit more money

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah. So it's

  1. thunderbird
  2. some add-on

right? I forget the name of that add-on.

No, that's not it. I thought it was Open-Xchange; yeah, that's it. But it's only web-based, and not Tbird-based. Let's ask Co-pilot again:

THERE it is.

But I learned there's a second alternative, so that's cool. See? Co-pilot has value!

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 1 points 28 minutes ago* (last edited 27 minutes ago)

Zentyal replaces windows server. It has active directory, file server, print server, domain controller and mail server, all in a way compatible with Microsofts products, but it's Linux. I worked with it many years ago and it did what it says on the tin. I haven't worked with newer versions.

In this case the AI is kinda wrong. It's not a Thunderbird replacement in any way, rather an OWA replacement and Exchange alternative. You could use Thunderbird to connect to it probably.

What you could use is the Thunderbird extension TbSync, or Owl. Both work, but TbSync is free.

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago

Like using Edge to download Firefox, I approve

[–] Soulifix@kbin.melroy.org 16 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

I doubt Microsoft Word has changed that much for me to theoretically subscribe just to see it's 365 counterpart. Still rocking the 2007 version.

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 3 points 25 minutes ago

Microsoft probably added or changed unnecessary shit to the OOXML format that your old version can't handle.

Do all documents open without any problems?

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Me too haha. One of the first things I install.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 3 hours ago
[–] RickyWars@lemmy.ca 29 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

For existing customers, the price hike won't be kicking in until plan renewal, and there are options to downgrade the plan. Those who want to avoid using AI can downgrade the plan to the "Classic" or "Basic" Microsoft 365 plans.

Thankfully we can roll back to the "Classic Family Plan" without the AI features. But annoying that they automatically switched plans and I had to switch back. If I didn't see this article I'd be up for a big price hike when it renewed.

[–] thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Everyone experiencing this should be thinking "man, I gotta ditch Microsoft before they try to fuck me again"

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

NO one using Microsoft is doing so by choice. If we haven't learned in 30 years, then fuck us.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 2 points 5 hours ago

Their office suite is still the winner.

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[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck the MS suite is such garbage. My work was sold in for Teams with all the BS. Now I have to either map up the filepath creating what we used to have, or I can't see the file folder and make a call at the same time. Onenote with it's arbitrary syncing. And good luck finding it again since it stored at some random place if you loose access.

Word and excel is decent, but for a person who likes to tinker with versions it's a nightmare to invite people to edit it.

Cluncky interface, slow and bloated all around

[–] hansolo@lemm.ee 8 points 5 hours ago

The degree to which MS Teams can get fucked by the horse it rode in on is proportional to the number of registry entries their bloatware has on first install.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

"You remember that llm we spend billions of dollars on, that nobody asked for? Well we're done half baking it into all our apps and now we're almost doubling our prices to help pay for it all."

The logic of the utterly deranged...

[–] humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee 6 points 6 hours ago

They did the same with 3.5 jack removal from phones, charged more for less

[–] Etterra 46 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Meanwhile, smart people: I sure do love Libre Office.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

Libre Office.

Honestly - and flame away - I hate the name. I hate saying it. It's the 'moist' of borrowed words. Leeeeeeeebr. And I'm a Canadian who did French up to university-level conversational "explain something for 20 min" French (from a gorgeous caribbean dynamo teacher, but I justif--uh, digress) so I know how to say the word and what it means.

And I still hate it. I'm a horrible person -- even before I continued French study because the prof was so engaging and energetic and brightened every room and every day and made French interesting just on inclusion.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 21 minutes ago

Glad I'm not the only one questioning the name! I have a pet theory that if they changed it it'd be more popular.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago
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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

why not just do:

microsoft 365: 6.99

microsoft 365 + copilot: 9.99

blobcat, think

[–] Romkslrqusz@lemm.ee 11 points 7 hours ago

… second paragraph of the article:

In addition to the basic plans getting Copilot rolled in, there are now additional "Basic," "Personal Classic," and "Family Classic" tiers without Copilot and "other advanced features" added for users who do not use AI in their workflows

[–] wioum@lemmy.world 21 points 9 hours ago

You damn well know why they dont do that $$$

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago

why not just do:

microsoft 365: 6.99

microsoft 365 + copilot: 9.99

Make the easy thing the better-for-sales thing, obviously.

But seriously, negative-approval has been a sales enabler for ever. People will often just roll over and accept it vs churning to something else. That's why 'loss-leader' works, as people will start with one product and sunk-cost fallacy will keep them from churning as the vendor tightens the screw.

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Makes me glad I continue to use the free Google and MS Office options and keep my cloud storage with a service that is dedicated to just storage.

Cuts down on all of the forced price increases due to the AI mess the MBAs need to justify the expense of.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 54 points 12 hours ago

You can call the sales team and ask them to change your subscription to the classic version to opt-out of Copilot and get the old price back, if you still need the subscription over changing to other open source office suites.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Make it too expensive and people will switch to Google docs.

[–] Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Google workspace just pulled the same crap with Gemini

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Excel is the deal breaker on that. My last company was all Google products and auth, but I still had to buy Excel for the accounting and HR teams.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

Um excel certainly has its places, but accounting? Don't they have actual dedicated software for accounting? HR? Like payroll? Again don't they have actual software for that?

And I was thinking personal use, whose costs were posted. $100 a year, fuck that.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It's hard to believe, but I work at a Fortune 100 company that's still heavily reliant on Excel.

Sure, we have specific software as System of Record (Oracle suite, mainly). But for all the day to day estimating and calculating and reporting and other noodling, people routinely export to Excel and play with numbers from there.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

The point is you can use google docs or Libreoffice for day to day mundane things.

It's only the huge power features that you need Excel for, maybe in engineering. For accounting when you get to that power feature point I'm surprised there isn't dedicated software.

[–] toddestan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Excel is a spreadsheet, and spreadsheets like Excel are first and foremost aimed at accounting sort of tasks. Whether they actually need Excel versus something like Google Docs or Libreoffice is another thing. The big thing with Excel is that it gets used (and abused) to do things that it's not really intended for doing such as those spreadsheets that are full of macros trying to be an application, or those spreadsheets that are trying to be a database, and so forth.

From an engineering perspective, I find Excel to be annoying because it's clearly first and foremost an accounting tool, and some of its behaviors like the way it rounds numbers and tries to turn everything into a date is downright obnoxious. I still use it from time to time for quick and dirty things like whipping up a couple of plots quickly (and this doesn't really need Excel... but at work all the computers have Excel), but otherwise for anything more complicated I'd probably switch to something else.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Like it's a fun number cruncher, but for serious accounting that's tied into point of sale, accounts receivable, accounts payable, etc you really should be running something dedicated. That's why there are all these software companies making bank when from the outside you can't quite figure out what they do.

Protip on excel, when you start a new sheet ctrl+a, ctrl+1, change to number.

[–] send_me_your_ink@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

See you think that - but excel finds a way. We have what are lovingly called the "spreadsheets of doom" which accounting uses to manage all forecasts, and the bits that involve money flows. Did you know you can hook excel into Salesforce and pull all the sales records? A person who thinks her monitor is her computer (she has a Dell laptop) somehow found a way...

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[–] Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 12 hours ago (13 children)
[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 1 points 4 minutes ago

So Libre Office is free?

If it does what regular office suit does i would happily pay 300 dollars for it to have it as mine and not be fucked with

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