Will trump be the one to finally destroy usa global influence?
this post was submitted on 08 Jan 2025
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He clearly thinks he’s going to extend it. But he may indeed cause irreparable damage.
I think he already has. The U.S. is still militarily influential of course, but no one...NO ONE...takes their political leaders as anything more than unhinged toddlers anymore.
Well to be fair, some leaders are seen as credible but everything is now predicated on the possibility that the guy elected in 4 years just decides to not honor anything. That used to be one of the hallmarks of the US, presidents honored the deals and such of previous presidents. So you'd know your deal would last or at least be renegotiated in good faith. Not so anymore.
The traditional deal is you only get to threaten folk who haven't access to nukes. If they have, your threat can be ignored. That's why North Korea is a thing and Saddam Hussein isn't.
100%. European army is long overdue, with Trump trying to destroy NATO.
EU needs to formally invite Canada to the union in response.
Or rather, Canada should invite some blue leaning states to join their far superior project.
Nice. Imagine this mindfuck.
Before 2022/2014 I wasn't quite sure why they think they need European armed forces, now it's obvious why they need it. (Would be good if the EU stays a voluntary confederation and not what the US is.)
Two front hybrid warfare is not good for the EU.
I've always believed deeply that the European Union was a model for how we, as a species, have to evolve in order to reach that next step. Not in a Star Trek ideal of "one planet", but at least in a "cooperation" that allows us to stop fighting each other.
Hell...I'm even a believer IN a North American version of the same thing. Just not in the way that Trump is wanting it and NOT with Trump anywhere near the decision making process. A North American federation on good terms with the EU federation would be great as long as adults were in charge and sovereignty was respected rather an a man-child shouting out bullshit all the time.
We could never have a North American Union. NAFTA was the first step and nationalists in the US and Mexico made it very clear they would commit violence if we dared so much as approach the EU model.
Yes. As much as the EU has done a good job in many ways, I’d much prefer it stay a confederation than a federation.
Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.
I would like to see more opinions from the Greenland locals, but I doubt that they want to exchange Denmark with the USA.
So the president of the greenlandic parliament made a focus of his new year's speech to talk about increased autonomy from historical danish colonialism and continuing the past 8 years of work on a new constitution. These topics are pretty important for his reelection campaign this year. However, apparently AP or Reuters picked up on the story and now there's 100s of imperialistic articles online talking about "Greenland makes sudden shift towards independence after Trump discussions" and "Nuuk is closer to New York than Copenhagen".
Now Trump Jr went to Greenland and Trump is threatening to use military force to take Greenland, and all the Greenlandic politicians are freaking out that the Americans are about to take away their sovereignty.
https://www.knr.gl/da/nyheder/mute-b-egede-maner-til-ro-groenland-er-groenlaendernes
https://www.knr.gl/da/nyheder/maaske-et-mediestunt-men-alligevel-alvorligt
Source: Me, a swede who can read GL news articles written in Danish
Tack!
Thanks from a fellow Swede! Basically the only thing I know about Greenland is that it's a good place if you want to get really really drunk. And then there is the old colonial issue. Never talked to a Greenlander, but the Icelanders I know seem to still be quite hostile towards Denmark, so I just extrapolate from there. Different ethnicity probably don't make things easier.
Yeah, I've never talked to any greenlanders, either, but It was strange when my American friends were talking about "Greenland announcing their independence" when it hadn't been reported in DN or Omni at all.
All the English articles about the new years' speech seemed very imperialistic and all of the recent events cited were covered in a very different tone in Swedish and Danish news. Once you read the actual new year's speech I think you get a much better understanding of the Greenlandic position separate from all the imperialistic ambitions of Trump and whatever pro-Trump AP/Reuters journalist wrote the article.
Greenlanders are saying in the news now that Americans are misunderstanding the new year's speech but now apparently Trump's dynasty is calling it fake news and insisting that Greenlanders want to give them their natural resources. https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-jr-leaves-greenland/
Anyways, it would be an interesting place to visit sometime!
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Sweden?
Where I live.
So you want Greenland to be annexed cause fuck the Danes I assume? /s
That would be the rational and just thing of course. But this time I gave them a bit of slack, since they removed Sweden from their royal weapon. Maybe silly...
I almost hope trunp goes full-on military raid and gets the whole world sicked on him. Like the whole rest of the world becomes the united superpower because they have a common enemy.
Greenland is not even in the EU.
But Denmark is.
Yes, Denmark is but Greenland is not. Greenland is considered an OCT, Overseas Countries and Territory, associated to the EU.
France probably has a vested interest in ensuring that the EU defends overseas territories of its member states for some reason.
Some of France's overseas territories are actually part of the EU. It's different than Greenland.
Also, EU probably needs it's own stash of strategic nuclear weapons ASAP.
France has nuclear weapons. And since Greenland and Canada are covered by NATO, they are also covered by the UK's arsenal.
Other NATO countries also have nukes provided by the US, but I don't know how usable they would be in this situation.
Ahah just get America to nuke itself as part of its NATO commitment.
The master plan... 🥸
I have to say... On all predictions about how the World War 3 would start, I imagine absolutely nobody guessed "NATO against the USA".
The Nato weapons are basically US weapons. And the future of Nato is quite uncertain. Also, AFAIK the UK weapons force is fully dependent on the US. France is the only western country (except the US) which has a completely independent nuclear force.
I really don't understand the tactics of Trump here, since this behavior is guaranteed to push EU towards China. If common liberal values and culture are nil and there is global anarchy, China will be a natural EU ally, if one consider only the geography. China + EU vs Russia. And Russia will probably be an ally of the US. (I've played way too many strategy games.)
Maybe he just sees that EU is really weak now, and he's probing the landscape.
Anyway, it's interesting to see that the new US administration already performs hybrid war against the EU.
It has it, the French decided to share theirs a while ago.
FWIW official policy is that if US soldiers attack Greenland / Denmark, Washington goes to play Fallout.
France's nuclear doctrine actually first includes a "nuclear warning shot", which is fucking insane but makes some semblance of sense as in "we know what MAD is and we can play that game, but you should really reconsider"
To their merit, France starts remarkably few wars while hiding under their nuclear umbrella. And I know they still do fucked up shit, especially on their colonies but at least they are not invading Catalonia or Sardinia.
There are only a handful of countries around the world with that habit of starting international wars.
(Civil wars are a different matter.)
The EU is not a country.
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