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[–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.dbzer0.com 156 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Here are the people responsible for the nH Predict AI tool that they knew has a 90% error rate when denying claims:

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Boomer trash are always there to grift

They got such eggshells egos too.

[–] shirro@aussie.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

I shouldn't still need to point this out but most boomers are poor. They also have a lot of medical issues and are mistreated by the health system and aged care. They are also mentally abused by cynical political strategists that target their fears and drive them half crazy.

If you haven't noticed the wealth divide is increasing and the rich are getting further away from regular people. That is happening despite rich boomers dying. Their wealth is being inherited and their replacements are just as mean.

Anytime you see a divisive comment like old.people, immigrants, trans are at fault question the source and if it is worth repeating. Its possible a lot of such comments originate in enemies of free societies. Community is important. It's the foundation for a fair and peaceful society. We can't have community while we have this mindset of excluding the other.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

There are also reasonably credible opinions that all of the things we divide ourselves on are deliberately propagated to distract us from the real power imbalance - all of us versus the incredibly wealthy. All of us against the corporations.

Generation anger especially is nuts. The older generation will die, their supposed enormous wealth will go to the generation below, and so on. Boomers had fewer children than the generation before, X have had even fewer. Generational wealth should be concentrating

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[–] PaddleMaster@beehaw.org 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hmmm… these demographics are not surprising.

[–] microphone900@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

I can't help but think of the scene from Rush Hour where Chris Tucker's character explains to Jackie Chan's character his theory on big crimes. It was something like 'Follow the rich guy. There's always a rich guy waiting for his slice.' I gotta rewatch it now.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 80 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

“We are sorry, the algorithm said you should die, soooooo….”

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nothing we can do, nobody at fault. This just how things are

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I sort of see why UHC would go in this direction. Case law (as in understand it) around AI and algorithms is that they can't be ~~blamed~~ held accountable on how they make decisions. Because they are black boxes, they are given a pass.

When a human reviews and denies a claim, it can be scrutinized, making it possible for the human to be reviewed and discredited. And a human might even gasp approve a case.

When it's AI, it can't be reviewed. It can be blamed, but with no responsibility, it can't be sued.

We really need more regulation around algorithms and AI or more shit like this is going to happen.

Edit: wording

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 12 points 2 weeks ago

But AI is a tool, it's like saying you can't sue the gun I shot you with so you just need to suck it up.

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[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 74 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Could people stop sharing this image of the guy who clearly was not the murderer?!

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 52 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Seriously. I am almost 100% the guy in the picture was my waiter at the Boathouse restaurant, in Disney Springs (Florida), on the night of the shooting. The person in the picture was nowhere near the state of New York.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 12 points 2 weeks ago
[–] microphone900@lemmy.ml 57 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Here's an article from last year to add a little more context.

UnitedHealth uses the algorithm to "prematurely and in bad faith discontinue payment for healthcare services," the complaint said.

"This is an example of how AI is being utilized not to help people but to line the pockets of corporations and their shareholders," Clarkson said.

When these coverage denials are appealed to federal administrative law judges, about 90% are reversed, the complaint said, demonstrating the "blatant inaccuracy" of the algorithm. Only a tiny fraction of patients appeal the denials at all, Clarkson said.

Also, UnitedHealth said they stopped using the algorithm, turns out they just renamed it and are now using it to deny or reduce mental health treatments. How UnitedHealth’s Playbook for Limiting Mental Health Coverage Puts Countless Americans’ Treatment at Risk

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 20 points 2 weeks ago

Ah, yes, creating more work for an already overloaded legal and healthcare system, while pocketing the profits from people who won't fight it. Man, I LOVE capitalism...

[–] 108@lemmy.world 49 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So his decisions resulted in others deaths?

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 27 points 2 weeks ago

Insurance companies practice medicine without a license all the time and those practices result in death. We are just supposed to pretend that's the correct way to live.

[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Totally unrelated question, but did Hitler actually directly kill anyone? Mao? Or was it just through their directing of others?

[–] teegus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, Hitler did kill at least one person..

[–] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Sigh... Yea but he also killed the guy that killed hitler

[–] limerod@reddthat.com 44 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

How did he even manage to sleep knowing this was the job he did.

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

On piles of money, I'm sure.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

dragons are a parable

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[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 41 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Abstraction. These people are in such a different class compared to the average person that they basically don't associate with them, so they never see the consequence of their downright evil actions... up until a scorned man with nothing to lose makes them very clear very quickly.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Do you cry everytime you step on a bug?

[–] naught@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 weeks ago

Personally? I don't even kill bugs I find inside. They are taken outside. When my cat destroys the occasional lizard, I have to euthanize them rather than let them die slowly in pain or throwing them outside to die out of sight. I cry then usually.

I think a lot of CEOs aren't capable of empathy, or have been so detached to human cost by the many layers of numbers and intermediaries between

[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 8 points 2 weeks ago

Probably would if it shot me

[–] PaddleMaster@beehaw.org 27 points 2 weeks ago

Probably very easily. The people who make it to the top generally show more psychopathic tendencies.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/victorlipman/2013/04/25/the-disturbing-link-between-psychopathy-and-leadership/

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I wonder what's going to go through his familys minds when it all settles.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They got generational wealth out of it.

I wouldn't worry about them... People Brian Thompson murdrr and their families didn't get nothing.

Never forget

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

The most defining trait of Sociopaths and Psychopaths is having no empathy, so for people like this the suffering of others, be it of their own making or not, has about as much emotional impact as the "suffering" of a leaf of lettuce when they eat it or of a piece of paper they crumple and thrown in the trashcan.

This also means that, amongst other things, they feel no guilt whatsoever (would you feel guilt from eating a leaf of lettuce?!) and will sleep like babies with the blood of thousands on their hands.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Look, if we allow these claims then everyone sick will file claims. The hit on our profit margin would be terrible!"

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 29 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You don’t understand. This man was a pillar of empathy and dedicated his life to improving access to healthcare.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 15 points 2 weeks ago

Found the shareholder. /s

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

(Of his stockholders)*

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yup, I was in an AI/ML training session about a year ago, and there were a few hospital execs there too. They were absolutely giddy about the prospect of using AI to deny care to unprofitable patients.

[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

So this must be all the "innovation" and "disruption" I keep hearing about.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The ai they use is also not intended to separate those who need care from those who don't, instead the ai is meant to separate those who would successfully appeal against the decision from those who wouldn't. This is how the UHC denial rate was able to shoot up so fast: from 10.9% in 2020 to 32% in 2023. There have to be a lot of excess deaths, personal bankruptcies and homelessness hiding behind that statistic.

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[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A computer program that returns “denied” in all situations is not an AI.

[–] Espiritdescali@futurology.today 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
function DetermineClaim(input) {
    return "denied";
}
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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Deposed. I would not use the m word. Its in the tos.

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[–] eleitl@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What an all around nice guy.

[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago

Truly a shame he got unjustly murdered. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

Ridiculously photogenic working class hero

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

now you know the real reason for ai existence. making more money for those that have too much

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