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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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According to the news source, some of the posts stated, “I am sorry. If you support the Democratic Party, I will not help you” and “The problem is that I know which of you supports the Democratic Party, and I will not help you survive the end of days.”

In another post, according to WHIO, Rodgers wrote that people would need to “provide proof of who you voted for” before rendering aid.

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[–] Granite@lemmy.world 273 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Fire him. Anything less is unacceptable.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 95 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He got a write up because his meds cause out of character behavior

If it’s exhibiting as bigotry based on politics he’s unfit because of how the drugs affect him at a minimum and needs to resign or be given his little retirement

[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 65 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Wtf? What kind of drugs may include extreme partisanship as a side effect?

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They mentioned it in the article that a documented side effect is out-of-character actions or remarks.

I didn’t catch the drug itself but it does NOT say anything about memory loss and he’s claiming not to recall making or deleting any posts.

[–] Texas_Hangover@lemy.lol 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He probably drinks mightily too. That'll do it.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Maybe alcohol is the 'medcation'

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Republican koolaid

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Well, it's not Ambian. They've already made it well known that Ambian does not cause racism as a side effect.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 20 points 2 days ago

Come now, he was given a written reprimand, isn't that enough?

[–] ReCursing@lemmings.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Into deep space.

(Because he's not worth the dV to launch into the sun.)

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 98 points 2 days ago

I'm starting to think we might have a law enforcement problem in the US.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Politically motivated threat of violence? What was the term for this again?

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

mentally ill lone wolf!

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 53 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Conservatism should immediately disqualify a candidate from any position of authority.

Conservatism + Power = Fascism

This has been true throughout all of human history.

[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 71 points 2 days ago

Sounds like an endorsement to take the law into your own hands and shoot the marauders yourself

Sheriff is an elected position so nobody should be shocked that a bastard cop would go there

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 54 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Sheriff should absolutely not be elected.

This is why.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

After your implying that what was a suitable system for an 1850s border town is somehow not ideal for a city in the 21st century? What kind of far left radical are you?

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Daily reminder police in USA don't have to do anything to protect people

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-police-have-an-obligation-to-protect-you/

The answer is no.

In the 1981 case Warren v. District of Columbia, the D.C. Court of Appeals held that police have a general "public duty," but that "no specific legal duty exists" unless there is a special relationship between an officer and an individual, such as a person in custody.

The U.S. Supreme Court has also ruled that police have no specific obligation to protect. In its 1989 decision in DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, the justices ruled that a social services department had no duty to protect a young boy from his abusive father. In 2005'sCastle Rock v. Gonzales, a woman sued the police for failing to protect her from her husband after he violated a restraining order and abducted and killed their three children. Justices said the police had no such duty.

Most recently, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit upheld a lower court ruling that police could not be held liable for failing to protect students in the 2018 shooting that claimed 17 lives at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The “end of days”? So sick of these deranged religious fanatics.

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 5 points 2 days ago

The end of days for Trump's political career hopefully

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 53 points 2 days ago

Gee, let's see how this plays out [FTA]:

Chief Deputy Mike Young sent a statement to the news station that said, in part, the Office agrees the comments made were highly inappropriate and do not reflect the Sheriff’s Office’s delivery of service to all residents, regardless of their voting preference. He stated that the station and Lt. Rodgers would work especially hard to regain the public’s trust.

"Lt. Rodgers would work especially hard to regain the public's trust." As in, 'regain it in the future'? So, pretty much no consequences then.

It is also suggested that a possible medical issue is involved in Rodgers’ actions.

Of course there's some kind of excuse - that's not what I meant, you're taking it out of context, you're twisting my words - or, in this case where there's no ambiguity, 'It must have been the drugs - but only the legal drugs, not any illegal drugs that might impact my career!'

WHIO obtained an investigative file and discovered in an inter-office communication with supervisors that Rodgers wrote, “I do not remember writing these posts or deleting any posts.”

Of course he doesn't. If he "remembered", he'd have to explain why he didn't clean them up afterward.

The file also indicates that Rodgers is prescribed sleeping medication, which Rodgers documented, “It does cause some of my communication to be ‘out of character’ which is a documented side effect.”

Here's the thing: afaik, sleep aids don't change your character, they just remove filters, so it's likely be does feel this way and just doesn't want to face the consequences of what he says. Secondly, again, he didn't clean it up afterward. If you know it 'causes some communication to be out of character', then wtf aren't you double-checking what's been posted? And aren't the posts written a little too coherently for someone spaced out on sleep meds?

According to WHIO, the Sheriff’s Office apologized for Rodgers’ behavior and said he received a written reprimand for violating the department’s social media policy and will remain on duty.

Oh, no! Not a one hour meeting and a written reprimand! The horrors!!

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

As soon as a democrat voter has an issue woth a police response, all they have to do is claim bias.

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

I’ll bet every convict that went to prison after being arrested by this guy now has a reason to get their case reviewed.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Fire his ass and replace him with someone who takes his oath of office seriously.

[–] pinkystew@reddthat.com 5 points 2 days ago

That will never happen.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

Yeah that's not actually how a "job" works, Bubba.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

He sure has been happy taking money from the government throughout the Biden administration though

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago

The entire concept of sheriffs should be abolished. They hold outrageous amounts of unchecked power that does not come under the same level of scrutiny as a normal municipal/state police officer.

[–] grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago
[–] auzy@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Don't they need to take some kind of Oath?

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It has been found in court that police have no responsibility whatsoever to serve or protect the public.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Oath, shmoath, they're getting a paycheck. I never took an oath to write good software, but I did it.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

And nothing will be done about this literally fascist. Please send help America in trouble and us leftist need to get arned.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

sounds like someone needs a psych eval before they get their badge back.

"end of days" doesn't ring through as a person with their full mental faculties at their disposal.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Police telling Democrats they won't help them in case of Emergency is PROOF that DEMOCRATS need to TONE DOWN Their Rhetoric!

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Sounds like non-Republicans need to start forming their own armed networks to protect each other if existing "Law Enforcement" refuses to.

I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety.

Iran was a secular, liberal state until almost 1980 when they (mostly legitimately) elected an Islamist theocracy; it could happen here.

[–] ganksy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 days ago

He looks like a real life Tackleberry.

[–] knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Cops never helping anyone to begin with aside...

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

They always help the wealthy, unless the harm was against another wealthy person and then it comes down to connections.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago
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