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[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 88 points 3 days ago (9 children)

I did a two-year post-doc in a climate modeling lab at a major research university studying exactly this proposal. I have peer-reviewed publications on it. I cannot overstate what a bad idea it is. It would kill--at minimum--tens of millions of people, and set off the worst refugee crisis the world has ever seen as global precipitation patterns shifted--and those are the effects we know about. Once we start it, we will have to run it indefinitely or incur absolutely apocalyptic snap-back temperature increases.

Still, I will be absolutely flabbergasted if we don't implement this sometime in the next 15 years. It's cheap, effective at controlling temperature increases, and will let us continue to kick the can down the road for meaningful climate action.

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 30 points 3 days ago

Still, I will be absolutely flabbergasted if we don't implement this sometime in the next 15 years

sadness-abysmal

[–] Gorb@hexbear.net 31 points 3 days ago

Ah but have you considered I still want my funkopops delivered with same day amazon delivery

Who needs blue skies

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It would kill--at minimum--tens of millions of people

What is the mechanism for this?

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Primarily precipitation pattern shifts. Stratospheric aerosol injection (SAI) is highly likely to result in less precipitation falling globally overall, but it's really the distribution that's worrying. Our natural model for this--the eruption of Mt. Pinatubo in the 1990s--caused an almost perfect inversion of global precipitation patterns: places that usually get a lot of rain turned dry, and places that are usually dry got a lot of rain. The effect was detectable for more than two years, and appeared and disappeared right along with the temperature reduction signal.

Here's the precipitation anomaly and Palmer Drought Severity index data for 1991 and 1992, immediately after the eruption. Warmer colors mean less water:

Computational modeling of SAI has indicated that this was not a fluke, and that the degree of change will likely increase with more aerosols in the stratosphere. Both elements of the switch are bad: if you're used to dry conditions, excess precipitation brings flash flooding, erosion, and mudslides. If you're used to rainy conditions, a lack of precipitation brings drought, famine, and fire. SE Asia--and other places that rely on a stable seasonal monsoon--are likely to be especially hard hit, and we have every indication that the shift would be permanent for as long as we kept up SAI. That's why I said it would set off the worst refugee crisis in the world's history.

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago

Ah that's horrifying, I never appreciated this aspect of geo-engineering

[–] StalinStan@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Would it be rude to ask for am article to read about this? Or an effort post if that works better for you. I knew this was considered to be a bad idea but I never saw any hard details

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

I'd prefer not to dox myself directly, but I can certainly put together an effort post tomorrow.

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"Externalities" are a capitalism thing because it externalizes the environment and many other things for the sake of perpetuating an abstract economy based on capital accumulation. An economy based on rational use of resources wouldn't externalize those things in the first place.

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 65 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

By the way, Ive been saying for years that they are 100% going to do this shit. They are going to keep the pedal to the floor on carbon emissions until it becomes impossibility to ignore any longer and then sell this as a magical technocratic solution. This is going to be a liberal consensus position in like ten years

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 32 points 3 days ago

They are going to keep the pedal to the floor on carbon emissions until it becomes impossibility to ignore any longer and then sell this as a magical technocratic solution

Already in progress: the CEO of Google has declared that he intends to expand data centers and further accelerate climate catastrophe because his occult belief is that the treat printers might come up with a tech magic solution that isn't the downer one of not fucking having so many data centers.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 69 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I suppose if I was this much of a ghoul, I'd also be deathly scared of socialism because there's no way someone who's ready to gas the whole planet is only a Nazi about this one specific thing.

[–] BeanBoy@hexbear.net 36 points 3 days ago

I think I see a negative externality on the wall over there. Maybe he should go and get a closer look.

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[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 58 points 3 days ago

yeah, we should totally reduce and disrupt the constant source of clean, pure energy streaming into the earth which drives the biosphere's staggering complexity, so we can keep burning the concentrated, dirty pockets of stored and buried sunlight from millions of years ago that is overheating the place and polluting our bodies, air, land, and water.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 60 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Note that the "negative externalities" are implied and not listed.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Rich techbros might have less access to treats. porky-scared

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[–] NPa@hexbear.net 53 points 3 days ago (6 children)
[–] YuccaMan@hexbear.net 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Doesn't China produce more new solar capacity than the rest of the world has like every year?

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago

Yeah but why wouldn't they want to spend a bunch of money to make their solar panels 1% less effective for the benefit of the US imperial order? Just makes sense really.

[–] jolliver_bromwell@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

i will probably nuke this guy

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

could do it without asking permission.

There's an Ayn Rand quote about "it's not about who will let me, it's about who is going to stop me" and these treatbrained manchildren have apocalyptically murderous levels of treat brain accordingly.

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

no author is as synonymous with tech bros having bad ideas as ayn rand

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's a Harry Potter fanfic writer that was paid millions by billionaires because his fanfic was staggeringly in support of all the creepy and ruinous power fantasies of billionaire techbros, too. He got rich enough to start his own literal cult. big-yud

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh, I know… I’ve actually read the entire thing. AMA. :P

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Do most of his fans/cultists just ignore the "dare ye enter his magical realm" (CW: kiddie creeper shit, necrophilia)

spoilerunderage le sexy sex zombie that conveniently is reanimated but without that annoying free will issue the original character had until reanimated?
Or do they also read that part while getting off to it?

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I actually did not interact with the community whatsoever, I just read it because I was fascinated by how overwhelmingly cringe it was, sorry.

A highlight of the story for me was when the self-insert character used logic and reason to teach the racist white boy that racism is bad unless you have a sound logical, rational basis for your racism.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago

Damn.

Well, I only survived it by having some curated commentary on it all the way through. It had layers of techbro hell to it, all the way to the end with its "dae le entire universe just resource nodes to make more phones?" so-true

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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 56 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In tech

Are you sure you and your lot aren't just trying to sell us something? I think people forgot there's other smart people in the world other than folks in the tech industry.

[–] FunkYankkkees@hexbear.net 60 points 3 days ago

The tech sector seems to have a high concentration of people who believe that because they understand one complex thing, they must inherently understand other complex things
"I can program well in 5 languages therefore my opinions on economics are valuable"

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 40 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We don't know who struck first—Us, or Them—but we know that it was Us that scorched the sky.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 26 points 3 days ago

Techbros are so incredibly blue curtained about their Torment Nexus enjoying that I would not be surprised if one of them used a clip from the Animatrix during a presentation about their company's particular aerosol proposal.

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They genuinely think some bazinga movie plot involving aerosols and asteroid mining is a more realistic way of fighting climate change than overcoming capitalism zizek-preference

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 44 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is a whole ass type of guy all by himself.

"Negative externalities" jfc.

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Especially when talking about air pollution, the literal textbook case of negative externalities. Just throwing bad sounding terms at things you don't like.

[–] Feline@hexbear.net 36 points 3 days ago

The capitalists are conspiring to block the sun like they're Mr. Burns 😭

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 32 points 3 days ago (12 children)

global socialist government that dictates emissions policy... has a lot of negative externalities, too.

Behold: apocalyptically terminal treatbrain. "DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DOOOOOOOOOOO" screamed by the techbro clowns that are already burning the circus tent we all live in. elmofire

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[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe this is below criticism, but saying "all the smart people I talk to in tech" has no clear difference from "all the people I agree with who I talk to in tech" when you're making an argument like this.

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago

i am smart (for proof, please see my tweet and note my use of the word ‘conversely’). therefore, anyone who disagrees with me is stupid. anyone who agrees with me is smart.

[–] Budwig_v_1337hoven@hexbear.net 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Blue skies? A sacrifice this guy and his friends in tech are apparently willing to make -, for all of us

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Tech people don't go outside so they think they'll be fine

[–] Budwig_v_1337hoven@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Oh you want blue skies? There's a VR-based software solution for that

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[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Death penalty for tech dipshits who would rather do geofascism than ecosocialism.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Maybe dudes in tech aren't the people you should be discussing altering the climate with, maybe climate scientists? Idk just a fucking thought

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[–] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is just robotic engagement farming, right?

Like, who actually goes on Twitter to write about what they care about? Honestly why does it exist lol

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[–] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago

Socialism is when people try to prevent climate change, and the more climate change they prevent, the more socialister it is, and when they prevent it completely, that's communism. And it will kill a million bajillion people. socialism-is-when

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