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Nebraska governor Jim Pillen, a Republican not noted as a women's rights supporter, yesterday issued an executive order "defining" males and females and the attributes thereof. The anti-transgender political grandstanding offers fusty explanations of the sexes–men are "bigger, stronger and faster" on average–in pursuit of Rowling-esque calls for sexual segregation (and even echoing her ostensibly feminist rationales) and not a lot else.

The order declares that, in matters of the state, the "biological differences between the sexes are enduring" and that the "sex" of a person will be defined by the gender designated at birth. In addition to specifically noting how boy, girl, man, and woman will be defined, the order also includes biological descriptions. …

"It is common sense that men do not belong in women's only spaces," Pillen said in the news release. "As Governor, it is my duty to protect our kids and women's athletics, which means providing single-sex spaces for women's sports, bathrooms, and changing rooms."

The reaction, at least from Democrats, is to point out that if it were enforced, the likely outcome would be Nebraska losing federal funding for womens' shelters.

"Today Governor Pillen, famous women's rights supporter, signed this offensive and ridiculous proclamation establishing a "Women's Bill of Rights." He should try saying this stuff to my face then we would see who's got what biological advantage," wrote State Senator Megan Hunt on Twitter.


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[-] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 311 points 1 year ago

All we need to do is find a woman bigger, faster, and stronger than him, and then he's officially a woman by his own legislation.

[-] Carvex@lemmy.world 96 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And women are worthless stay-at-home breed mares to them so I guess they should get a new Governor.

PS I'd pay good money to watch Britney Griner kick his ass.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

We tried. By God we tried.

Discount Lex luthor termed out and it was a three way race for the Republican nomination.

Democrats will never win the state again so it was a game of who's the least awful Republican?

Residents of Omaha and the surrounding area flocked to change their registration to Republican to vote in the primary. A moderate who wasn't fucking insane was running and we tried our hardest to get him the seat. The other two were so similar we thought they'd split the crazy vote and the moderates would win out.

He came in 3rd, by a wide margin.

[-] solidgrue@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

But why not does that larger woman simply eat the Governor?

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[-] jtk@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 1 year ago

The internet needs to flood his inbox with challenges from women that would destroy him at arm wrestling.

[-] ShittyKopper@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 year ago

horny subtext

don't play into the game this is all part of the long con to get strong dommy women to slide into his dms

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[-] deft@ttrpg.network 15 points 1 year ago

This will make it so the state can only have the "One True Man of Nebraska"

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[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 90 points 1 year ago
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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 76 points 1 year ago

The order declares that, in matters of the state, the "biological differences between the sexes are enduring" and that the "sex" of a person will be defined by the gender designated at birth.

That makes zero fucking sense

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

This means that insecure men in Nebraska can now go in to the dive bar they get drunk at starting at 1030 AM, and hit on any woman in the place without fear of her secretly having a penis.

Not that there are any women in that bar, that they'd ever have a chance at taking one home, or, that this executive order actually means any of that. But the idiots who support this kind of thing will think it does.

[-] StandingCat@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

God i hate living here, because this is exactly how the rest of the idiots here think. But it’s too expensive to move right now.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

My wife didn't want to move to Minnesota, so we bought a house here, and aren't likely to leave now. Had I not met her when I did I likely would have left a few years ago.

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[-] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 1 year ago

I wonder if you can legally change genders with this. If you're a woman who's bigger, stronger, and faster than the average male in Nebraska, then you satisfy this biological condition set forth in law.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago

The nazis are back, Russia's trying its best to cause WW3, our rights are dropping like flies, oligarchs have become cartoonishly overt in fucking the rest of us cuz they know we'll just bend over and take it, and we're literally cooking our planet with cow farts and dinosaur juice to the point that its ability to support life is rapidly approaching a hard stop.

............and the thing we're putting our energy into is the dangly bits in our pants.

[-] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 year ago

The nazis are back

They never left, they were bidding their time.

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[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

So if a body builder woman beats him up in one-on-one combat, he'll have to be redefined as a women? Where's the Celebrity Death Match reboot?

[-] pdxfed@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I think he would be arrested for violating his gender assigned at birth?

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[-] CandyPants@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Out of all of the problems we have, this joker decided this made up one was actually worth his energy and effort. What a fucking stupid time to be alive.

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

This is anti-twink legislation, Ben Shapiro can't live up to this.

[-] gnuplusmatt@startrek.website 42 points 1 year ago

So in Nebraska a two men with a measurable difference in size and strength in a relationship are actually heterosexual?

[-] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 37 points 1 year ago

Daft Punk could not be reached for comment

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[-] Delusional@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

That guy definitely watches trans porn daily.

[-] A_A@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@Wogi@lemmy.world wrote in here 6h ago :

There’s no legal reason to define the genders, no ongoing court drama in Nebraska that hinges on this definition, nothing legally will ever be decided because of it. It’s just one idiot shouting out to a bunch of other idiots that he doesn’t like it when people who were born with one set of genitals want to have a different set of genitals.

What this will accomplish is added brain drain, an issue Nebraska sorely needs a remedy to, it will cost millions in court cases that will now be filed against the state and the governor, and it will cost women’s centers in Nebraska Federal money. All while doing absolutely nothing worthwhile for the state of Nebraska.

It’s Jim Pillen saying he wants a fight with a minority group. And it’s an idiotic call to arms at that.

N.B. : This excellent comment was unfortunately part of a thread which was deleted by the mod. I read the other comments in this post and, compared to the above, they're mostly not worth one cent.

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[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 34 points 1 year ago

Apparently, from what I'm reading, this will also potentially cause women's shelters to lose federal funding. They aren't legally allowed to discriminate against trans-women, which means they'll be disqualified for getting funding.

[-] cyberfae@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago

For them, this might be considered a feature rather than a bug.

[-] Nikki@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

yeah cuz im such a big scary guy in my striped thigh highs, weighing in at 120 pounds

i can run away in a flash though :3

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[-] TwoGems@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

I guess intersex people also don't exist good job loser governor

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[-] MooseBoys@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Me who can’t do a single pull-up: I guess I’m a woman now?

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[-] venoft@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

So whenever he sees a giant Dutch girl that would destroy his noodle arms in arm westling he's now officially a tiny little girl.

[-] Patches@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

That's his kink 😜

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Serena Williams or Brittney Greiner or Simone Biles could kick my fat ass three ways from Sunday. I'm definitely not bigger than Brittney, and there's no way I'm stronger or faster than any of them.

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[-] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 year ago

After that he signed an order that declares his penis to be totally average or a little bigger than average, and that it's totally normal for it to be that color & shape and have a bend in it.

[-] 30mag@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Headline is clickbait. The executive order does not define men as "bigger, stronger, and faster," and the headline contains zero information about how the executive order actually does define "sex". This shit really gets under my skin. Misinformation like this makes it more difficult to educate people about what is wrong with the system, why it needs to be changed, and the actions necessary to change it. It greatly reduces a person's ability to advocate for a cause effectively.

The bigger, stronger, faster part is in the section of the order called the preamble, not part of the definition. The preamble is all the WHEREAS shit you see at the beginning of bills and explains the rationale for the bill, or executive order as is the case here.

A preamble may be inserted between the title and the enacting clause of a bill for multiple reasons: to explain the state of affairs that caused the bill to be introduced; to make clear the purpose of the bill; as a sales pitch to improve the chances of enactment; or to serve some other purpose of the sponsor. A preamble is not a part of the enacted bill. [source - pdf warning]

In this instance, the preamble is grandstanding, and the article even refers to it as such:

Nebraska governor Jim Pillen, a Republican not noted as a women's rights supporter, yesterday issued an executive order "defining" males and females and the attributes thereof. The anti-transgender political grandstanding offers fusty explanations of the sexes–men are "bigger, stronger and faster" on average–in pursuit of Rowling-esque calls for sexual segregation (and even echoing her ostensibly feminist rationales) and not a lot else.

Here's the preamble, which doesn't mean shit:

WHEREAS, males and females possess unique and immutable biological differences that manifest prior to birth and increase as they age and experience puberty;
WHEREAS, biological differences between the sexes mean that males are, on average, bigger, stronger, and faster than females;
WHEREAS, women have achieved inspirational and significant accomplishments in education, athletics, and employment;
WHEREAS, biological differences between the sexes are enduring and may, in some circumstances, warrant the creation of separate social, educational, athletic, or other spaces in order to ensure safety and/or to allow members of each sex to succeed and thrive; and
WHEREAS, inconsistencies in court rulings and policy initiatives with respect to the definitions of “sex,” “male,” “female,” “man,” and “woman” have led to endangerment of single-sex spaces and resources, thereby necessitating clarification of certain terms.

This is the part that contains information about defining someone's "sex", and is actually enacted:

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Jim Pillen, Governor of the State of Nebraska, under and pursuant to the authority vested in the Governor by the Constitution and the laws of the State of Nebraska, do hereby order and direct the following:

  1. In the promulgation of administrative rules, enforcement of administrative decisions, and the adjudication of disputes by administrative agencies, boards, and commissions, all state agencies, boards, and commissions when using the following terms shall, to the fullest extent permitted by law, define them as follows:
    a. a person's “sex” is defined as his or her biological sex (either male or female) at birth;
    b. a “female” is an individual whose biological reproductive system is developed to produce ova; a “male” is an individual whose biological reproductive system is developed to fertilize the ova of a female;
    a. [sic] “woman” and “girl” refer to human females, and the terms “man” and “boy” refer to human males;
    b. [sic] the word “mother” is defined as a parent of the female sex and “father” is defined as a parent of the male sex;
  2. There are legitimate reasons to distinguish between the sexes with respect to athletics, prisons or other detention facilities, domestic violence shelters, rape crisis centers, locker rooms, restrooms, and other areas where biology, safety, and/or privacy are implicated;
  3. Any public school or school district and any state agency, department, or office that collects vital statistics for the purpose of complying with antidiscrimination laws or for the purpose. of gathering accurate public health, crime, economic, or other data shall identify each individual who is part of the collected data set as either male or female at birth.
    This Executive Order shall become effective immediately and shall expire upon the effective date of state law governing participation of biological males in female athletics and prescribing environments where single-sex dedicated services and/or facilities should be provided.
    IN WITNESS THEREOF, I hereunto set my hand and cause the Seal of the State of Nebraska to be affixed this 30^th^ day of August, 2023.
[-] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I honestly think that's semantics. If the preamble doesn't matter, then why is it there? Why have it if it doesn't mean anything? Just because one is called a preamble and one a definition doesn't mean that people won't use either as the "real" definition. Maybe you could have argued that several years ago, but you certainly can't now.

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[-] GhostOnTheHalfShell@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago

So if there is a woman bigger than him, does he lose his manhood?

[-] tburkhol@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

A "woman" bigger than him is automatically a man, by definition. Likewise, any "man" smaller than his wife is automatically a woman.

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[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

How could this idea ever go wrong?

a strong woman

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[-] blazera@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

Theres a lot of obvious layers of stupidity here, i wanna point out the ludicrousness of thinking you can define legislative legal terms through executive order.

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[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 17 points 1 year ago

The amount of time republicans waste fixing nothing is staggering. It’s like they exist to run out the clock.

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[-] jray4559@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There is a missing "on average" in the title of this headline, which completely negates the oniony part of the sentence.

This bill did not say that men were exclusively bigger, stronger, and faster, or that women weren't. It just said that, on average, they are, which is true.

Why that is in an executive order, honestly, there is no good reason for it, but the principle is still the same: lying by omission is still lying, especially in a culture where people only read headlines.

[-] g0nz0li0@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Why that is in an executive order, honestly, there is no good reason for it,

You got it right here but nevertheless missed the point pretty hard. What he said and how he said isn't the point of the article: what he did and why he did it is what is newsworthy.

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[-] AnthoNightShift@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

My 6ft tall great grandmother would have scrubbed the toilet with that shrimp.

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