49
submitted 2 days ago by NightOwl@lemmy.ca to c/canada@lemmy.ca
top 13 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

To be honest, a lot of the problem is because people--not addicts, nor the people who are trying to help them--aren't seeing the benefit, and advocates have been terrible at messaging.

I'll give you an example: the common refrain is that harm reduction saves lives, and that Naloxone saves lives, and that safe-consumption sites save lives.

And while this is true, most people don't care. In fact, a sizable--and growing--percent of the population sees "saving lives" as a bug, not a feature. They're tired of being robbed, of having their property stolen, of being assaulted, of being chased out of downtowns. Many have seen their supply of empathy run dry, and a lot didn't have any empathy to begin with.

They would be quite happy if most addicts died.

I've heard a lot of people saying "You know what? Fuck naloxone. Fuck safe-use sites. I haven't had a doctor for six years, I have to dodge needles and crack pipes while walking, I can't use the park down the street any more, someone shit on my front lawn and someone stole my kid's bike. If a junkie ODs, that's one less junkie who makes my life miserable". And that's pretty much a direct quote.

We need to do a much better job of explaining to people how safe consumption sites reduce crime overall, and why safe-supply cuts out predatory dealers and thusly the economic incentives that drive crime. We really need to talk more about social services and treatment. Because, and again, this is hard to hear, an increasing number of people don't really care if addicts die.

And we need to do it, because the people who vote, are burnt out and the political right is at least talking to their insecurities and anger and anxiety, where the left offers platitudes at best and condescension & condemnation at worst.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

We need a system of governance where we don't have to explain why saving human lives is desirable, where we do not depend on votes to protect human lives because it is a fundamental mandate of all governments.

[-] BreathingUnderWater@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

Can we really blame people for being upset about human beings taking shits and urinating in their spaces? We find it offensive when dog owners don't clean up after their pets, imagine seeing giant human shits and smelling piss stained walls when you go out your door... I can understand people not being sympathetic anymore to others willing to violate their space like that.

[-] Nogami@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I think everyone needs to see proof of it working and I mean visibly reducing crime and violence, not saving lives.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

One of the big problems is good, lasting solutions are rarely quick, easy solutions. And most people want solutions now, not 5, 10, or 20 years from now. And let's not even mention how long we neglected these problems to let them get this big. But don't worry, prisons and policemen aren't expensive at all, not like schooling and social programs.

[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 3 points 21 hours ago

Politicians have had almost 15 years since the drug crisis started in earnest to do something.

What they did was implement a "let'er rip!" non-enforcement strategy that, without supports, housing or healthcare, was basically pouring gasoline on the pre-existing fire. Addicts weren't going to get help, but they were going to get even fewer speedbumps on the road to letting addiction ruin everything for them and around them.

And politicians did this because choosing not to enforce anything while simultaneously not providing supports was the cheapest option. It required doing even less than they were doing at the time, and it let them get kudos for being so progressive and forward looking.

Jump forward fifteen years or so and the toxic fruits have come to bear.

Clamping down on SCS is just another way to avoid spending money fixing the problem.

[-] Nogami@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I think politicians are getting very close to being handed a mandate from the public that doesn’t include “good” solutions but mean, punitive ones.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 22 hours ago

Hence why it's commonly said that one of the foundations for a working democracy is an educated populous.

[-] Nogami@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Don’t think education has much to do with it when emotion takes over. If I had a personal experience with it I’d be out for blood too and I’m well educated.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 1 points 19 hours ago

Education doesn't mean just imparting knowledge, but also tools for how to think, such as logic and critical thinking. This helps one avoid making or accepting policy decisions based on how they make you feel, but based on reality and actions that will help you achieve your goals.

[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago

It'll work when government spends real money on it.

That means real institutions, not shoestring strip-mall locations with precarious funding. It also means safe-supply. It also means housing. And--this is the hard one for advocates--it means humane incarceration for people for whom support, housing and safe-supply aren't enough.

All of this comes with a price tag, but we'd rather build a spa parking lot or give Galen Weston money to upgrade his fridges or some such bullshit.

[-] Nogami@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I agree. I don’t mind the government spending real money on it to prove it works, but 100% the advocates will never agree to forcibly incarcerating people who are unwilling or unable to participate in society at a civilized level.

So it’s doomed to fail and everyone will want to thanos -snap the problem away.

All they are is dust in the wind dude.

[-] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Canadaland recently did an episode on this very subject and as a once-supporter of these sites, I found it eye-opening.

this post was submitted on 02 Oct 2024
49 points (96.2% liked)

Canada

7145 readers
278 users here now

What's going on Canada?



Communities


🍁 Meta


🗺️ Provinces / Territories


🏙️ Cities / Regions


🏒 SportsHockey

Football (NFL)

  • List of All Teams: unknown

Football (CFL)

  • List of All Teams: unknown

Baseball

Basketball

Soccer


💻 Universities


💵 Finance / Shopping


🗣️ Politics


🍁 Social & Culture


Rules

Reminder that the rules for lemmy.ca also apply here. See the sidebar on the homepage:

https://lemmy.ca


founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS