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I truly believe that these license plates actually work but not for the reason these idiots think.
As soon as a cop sees your plate, they instantly know you're driving an unregistered vehicle, probably dont have a license, insane, looking for an argument, and impervious to reason. Good chance they're going to say "Fuck it, I'm not dealing with this crap today."
And once posted in the local gossip group, they're now forced to deal with it
Should have spelled it PR1VATE to really win. /s
This is probably the correct answer. I drove around without a front license plate for over 4 years (my state requires front and back) since my car didn't come with screws for a front mount. It was one of those things I put on my to-do list but never got around to and eventually just kind of forgot about it.
Anyway, I live close to a couple of police stations (I live near a border to another city, so my city and the next city have PDs within a couple miles of each other) and never got pulled over. Hell, I have even went through several traffic stops over the years and none of them ever said a word to me. A few months ago I finally ran into a cop that actually gave a shit and pulled me over. He was obviously a new recruit, as he was very young and did everything very by-the-book. I got a warning and the next day I ordered a mount for my other plate, but I was just amazed I'd gone so many years without any cop caring. I figured it was because most cops just can't be bothered to care about small shit like that. Though, if I was a minority (I'm in the US), it'd probably be a different story.
If you were a minority you'd be pulled over every day, probably each way to and from work with that as the reason. Given expensive fix-it tickets each time. And most likely had your vehicle searched or impounded for multiple failures to comply. Not being hyperbolic, this has happened often. One guy it was 1 day, 3 tickets and then impound because he failed to fix the issue in a day.
When the rules are applied on a whim by whatever person with authority feels like, you live in tyranny. That isn't an orderly system. It is a failed nation.
Fix it tickets everywhere I live give you three days to a week from when it was written to get it fixed, you just show the next cop that pulls you over your dated ticket and tell them you ordered the part or have an appointment with a mechanic or whatever. I believe the first half of your comment but the second feels a lot like one bell end to the whole “three sides to every story” saying.
Also sov cits are probably more likely than the average driver to be carrying concealed weapons and stuff, since they don't think the law applies to them.
Literally one killed a cop last week in Dallas.
Ever hear one of these guys babbling in front of a cop/judge? They think by speaking the exact phrase of faux-legal gibberish they can magically unlock "immunity from law". They just repeat the same phrase in as many different word combinations as possible desperately searching for the right incantation
It never works but being impervious to reality or reason is basically the hill they are willing to die on in order to gain online clout with a niche group of weirdos who for some reason trigger the dopamine receptors in their glass-smooth brains by feeling collectively intransigent together
I've never understood this. Even if they are absolutely convinced that they're right, you can go watch 1000 videos of judges and cops who are wholly unimpressed with their gibberish. They might be convinced they know a hidden truth, but what good is it when the established institutions don't recognize it as truth?
My theory is that they're just lacking in reasoning skills. How else would you become a sovcit in the first place? If their arguments were effective, every lawyer in the country would be using them.
But buying things at the grocery store is commerce???
Seems like burning gas that you bought at a gas station is commerce.
Unless they’re driving their vehicle in the grocery store, I don’t think it counts, or something
It's like guys hugging, as long as you say "~~no homo~~ no commerce" it doesn't count.
Here, buy my book of bureaucratic incantations.
Easiest scam targets ever
Does it come with a page of stamps? I'm fresh out.
BuyinG StAmpS is JusTliKe paYing taXes to the shaDdow gov acTuallY ran bYUSPS.
What you do is you print NO POSTAGE NECESSARY IF MAILED IN THE UNITED STATES and glue that, not tape, it needs to be on the same corner as the moon position when facing north.
Then somewhere on it, scribble in Sharpie the following Stat. st Law, Ch. 71, Sec. 23, circle that 3 times, not 2. Use red.
I also got mailing supplies including pre-made stamp-like sovereign labels you can buy, Bill's been using them for years without issues, ask him.
Still probably too coherent, mb.
You forgot that all writing needs to be done at exactly a 33⁰ angle. they have protractors to check you know.
Yes, but you have to keep it vague enough so that when it fails and they come back to you, you can have plausible deniabilty that they did it wrong.
Oh sorry I meant "it needs to be on the same corner as the moon position when facing north, including copying the angle with your sextant."
Sovereign Citizens are the absolute most annoying people. You want to deport anyone? Start with them. Keep the migrants & refugees who want to be here. Send the SovCits to ~~Senegal~~ Somalia.
Woah, what did Senegal do to deserve that?!?
Every time I hear or read Senegal, I think of this gem from the last time that Jim McGuiness was coaching the Donegal GAA team, featuring the amazing Senegal Jimmy who can rattle off more Irish place names than most Irish people that I've met: https://youtu.be/gAjQrnImT_k?si=DQl_xIZv_P4Xz9pB
I saw my first SovCit plate in the wild yesterday! They also had a tinted cover over it, I assume to hide it. Such a lack of confidence, tsk tsk.
I don't get why they advertise themselves. You'll blend in a lot more if you use a normal plate and simply never renew the registration. You rarely get pulled over for this and ticket is so minor that it's easy to just ignore it and never show up to court. But more often than not the cop will just tell you to renew it ASAP and send you on your way. Be polite, apologize, don't argue/mention any sovern citizen bullshit, and most importantly: don't be brown-skinned, and usually they'll just let you go without even so much of a warning.
The thing is, they WANT to show that they are "special".
Wow haha. I would love to see one but they're not really a thing here I don't think.
I also don't seem to have them near me, but I might start carrying a hammer to break the tint of I see one. Sovereign citizens can get fucked and pay taxes.
What a difference a day makes
That's the most hilarious part.
I assume they're travelling on "private" roads and not trespassing on state property. Or they're an idiot.
Definitely the second one.
So this was percolating in my brain for awhile, these dense people have a hard time understanding the law but it's very easy to explain even if they magically are a sovereign citizen which means they don't have to do all the regular things humans do in a society.
If you are driving on publicly funded roads that you didn't contribute to with taxes and did not licence your vehicle to drive on, you are just trespassing. Your options are: pay the fee/fine for trespassing, and then stay off the roads you don't own, or buy the "ticket" (pay your taxes and ensure your vehicle is licenced.).
What's the response to that? Like I know they think a lot of weird and crazy stuff, but I get why they don't understand some of it, bevause it is complicated and based on law and generations of social contracts. This isn't that. This is "you can't trespass, no matter how sovereign you are."
See that's what happens when you go to a country that does not have normalized relations with your sovereign citizen embassy to work out the sovereign citizen agreements and legislation to handle these sort of interactions.
I've been smuggling cocaine for a decade! No one will ever catch me!
What kind of help is he expecting anyways?
Somebody will tell him what magic words to utter to make the cops go away.
To spend your life mad about something that didnt happen.
Idk why but 'not for commerce use' sounds like broken English. Why it isn't 'not for commercial use'?
If you don't use exactly the right words, the spell is broken. You have to cast it properly for it to work.
They messed up by not signing it in red pen at a 45 degree angle, that's how they got em.
As always, I welcome any corrections from those who think they can keep this shit straighter than I can, but the gist as I understand it is this:
Many of them actually believe the entire legal regime of the united states is actually a function of private commercial law and that the "real" government is a sort of suppressed by a corporation that was created under its rules, so if they can successfully opt out of their involuntary commercial relationship with the "Corporation" that they are not bound by its rules, including taxes. Because they're so very smart, they understand you have to be careful, so making sure that you explain that you're not engaging in "Commerce" as the corporation's founding document states is important so they don't rope you back in. The US Constitution gives the federal government the right to govern "Interstate Commerce" so in the spirit of the law being a series of magical incantations, they want to keep consistent. The various US states are either in league with, or under the thumb of, the "corporation."
the entire legal regime of the united states is actually a function of private commercial law
I mean, they aren't entirely wrong...
Wait. That’s my license plate.
I’ve had this plate for over a year
Like it’s some sort of checkmate