politics

Nothing said in this post is against a ceasefire.

If the charred remains of hundreds of children is not enough to spur someone to support the entire dissolution of a genocidal state, they will not be convinced by any honeyed words we speak.

No permanent ceasefire can exist between the occupier and the occupied

I used to feel the same way but I read this article that really put things into perspective for me. Would highly recommend giving it a look

"Well, since you don't agree with me, then I change my mind, those kids deserve to die"

Does that ceasefire include or exclude ethnic cleansing?

First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured. ". -MLK

This is how you lose support for your cause

How? We can acknowledge we lack the power to force Europeans and Americans to go back home, but we shouldn't entertain the idea that the occupation is anything other than stolen land and a history of genocide. At the very least it should only be a forced compromise that we can't get the Palestinians their homes back but that we never let the occupation try and fool people into thinking it's their land; they only have it because we don't have the power to force them to go back home. We should be working on correcting people's understanding of what Israeli territory actually is, and what the nature of the settlers are.

If my home is invaded by a guy with a gun, and no one can force him out, the least people can do is acknowledge that the man is a criminal and that we're only putting up with it because we lack the power to make him leave, not that now the man is the new rightful owner and that I should be the one to leave, and quietly too. The goal should be to teach people of what Israel truly is; it's at least one way to encourage a global BDS movement.

liberal triangulation spotted

please report to the nearest deliberalization pod

This is how you lose support for your cause. If you actually care about palestinians, a ceasefire is the only viable option.

More like gain support, you dumbass.

“I’m convinced that many of the very people who supported us in the struggle in the South are not willing to go all the way now. I came to see this in a very difficult and painful way. In Chicago the last year, where I’ve lived and worked. Some of the people who came quickly to march with us in Selma and Birmingham weren’t active around Chicago. And I came to see that so many people who supported morally and even financially what we were doing in Birmingham and Selma, were really outraged against the extremist behavior of Bull Connor and Jim Clark toward Negroes, rather than believing in genuine equality for Negroes.”

From MLK, this is basically you you fucking dipshit.

You're deeply unserious, mate. Stop virtue signalling....

If a post on a webforum can make you pro-colonialism, then you didn't support the cause beforehand.

Yes first a cease fire, then another October 7th right? That’s what we’re all thinking here I assume.

im surprised it took 27 hours for someone to report this.