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Good read, gives me a lot of hope for this project.

I look forward to an exciting future with all of you.

(Also- hopefully this wasn't posted already)

https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-06-17_-_Update_from_Lemmy_after_the_Reddit_blackout

This was written by the Lemmy devs.

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[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] thedarkfly@feddit.nl 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It appears that they support the CCP and deny the Uyghur genocide.

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They specifically address this in the article and say it isn't true.

On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. These claims are completely false, and like most viral twitter threads, are coming from a single Mastodon user on a personal vendetta who didn’t provide any sources. Such slander doesn’t deserve any response and is best left ignored.

[–] Enantiophobe@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Here is Dessalines denying that any genocide is taking place: https://lemmy.ml/comment/471382

They can say "we don't support genocide" all day long, but denying that any genocide is taking place and actively trying to persuade others that no genocide is happening isn't any better.

I argue that it unintentionally supports a genocide since they're using a platform to (inadvertently) hide the genocide from the public by convincing others that nothing of the sort is happening.

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

I for one do definitely believe that there is a genocide happening and I'm appalled that we can't do more about it. But people trust in different sources of information. Not believing that a genocide is happening is not the same as actually endorsing genocide.

[–] yokonzo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Enantiophobe@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Weird, I just went to it and it seems to work. I'll SS it and post it in my comment for ease.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this may appear to you as an irrelevant detail, but... they who?

[–] thedarkfly@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry about the ambiguity. At least one of the main devs of Lemmy.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I saw someone else did a bit of research deeper down in the thread. It seems it's questionable but they at least "only" control like two federated instances, lemmy.world not being one of them. Of course, still not good to have someone like that in the dev team :/

[–] ramennoodle@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i mean, there's only two people. they ARE the dev team for now.

yeah. not good at all, I'm not comfortable with it. I don't understand people who have access to information on the internet and deny anything obvious, no matter whether it's flat earthers, genocide deniers or ufo believers. how can a brain be this disfunctional?

[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] spirit@lemmy.world 87 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (22 children)

Update 3: @dessalines@lemmy.ml did stated they (singular) disagree that a genocide is taking place.

Update 2: My conclusion


Update: So I dug around a little deeper, and found that


On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. These claims are completely false, and like most viral twitter threads, are coming from a single Mastodon user on a personal vendetta who didn’t provide any sources. Such slander doesn’t deserve any response and is best left ignored.

Update: More info about @dessalines@lemmy.ml

[–] MrFlamey@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's definitely good to have people like you investigating the backgrounds of key developers, as there might be ulterior motives behind them developing open platforms that compete with established Western companies outside of loving the free web and open source. Thank you!

However, I wonder how many opinions we disagree with would be unearthed by doing this kind of research on every core developer of Chrome, Windows, MacOS, Google or whatever. I think you would find a lot if you get people to air their honest opinions. In today's climate, if these people were open about certain opinions they might hold (not saying they do, but statistically it's likely some do) they would just be fired, so it's easy for large corporations to shake damage to their reputation from having certain staff members. For OSS it is a bit harder, since although developers can be pushed out, and software can be forked, it's all open and it's harder to understate the contribution to the source code etc. that such a person could have contributed.

It does kind of suck when you hear that developers working on software you like have wildly different worldviews to your own, but sometimes you have to put things in perspective. Having said that, if this guy is the only developer I might feel less than happy about using Lemmy instead of Reddit.

[–] Otakeb@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Personally, I'd rather my open source, decentralized software be developed by a nearly fanatical communist than a slimy entrepreneur/capitalist. Either could try to pull the rug out from under you, but at least one is internally consistent until then...

[–] xzite@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

but at least one is internally consistent until then…

Having to do the mental gymnastics required to make China not commit genocide does not suggest internal consistency...

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[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wow...thanks. I had no idea this was ongoing. As someone living in Asia and seeing these issues from up close, these ring close to home. I'll be paying attention for any of these...moderations.

[–] JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you are not on lemmy.ml or lemmingrad there is nothing to look out for because these people have no influence on your content.

[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How about Lemmy.world? Whichgroupss will they influence mostly?

[–] JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

They moderste lemmy.ml and lemmingrad. Apart from those, in which they are admins, they have zero influence or power anywhere else... Lemmy world and other indtances have completely different people in charge.

[–] talos@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

The Lemmy.world server is owned by the same guy that owns Mastodon.world. Nothing to do with the Lemmy devs. Just mainstream general interest servers.

A lot of big communities are hosted on lemmy.ml. They have influence there.

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[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

thank you for the research & informing us

[–] spirit@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Happy to help. :)

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[–] epicspongee@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

This is so weird to me lol, maybe I'm just odd but it's so weird seeing McCarthyism still rearing it's ugly head after what... 5 decades? I am by no means an ML (can't stand them as an anarchist) but this is wildly blowing out of proportion what @dessalines@lemmy.ml has said and done.

I mean like why link a 'Socialist FAQ' that's literally just a ton of links to education on socialism and the different schools of thought it has? Not all communists are tankies (not even most) lol. Just generally shows a lack of familiarity with actual leftists / anticapitalists.

[–] bob@lemmy.havocperil.uk 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it's more like 7 decades and I thought the same. Reds-under-the-bed is still a thing!

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[–] archy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You are amazing! Thanks for the time spent on OSINT

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[–] kinther@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wow, this is a lot to digest. Thank you for putting this all together.

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[–] A_A@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

(lemmygrad.ml) "funded by the NED"

Must have been stated as sarcasm if Ned is : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_Democracy
since they are fighting specifically against this kind of United States's actions.

[–] DudePluto@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I mean regardless of the devs' opinions they are forwarding the democratization of information by working on this project

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[–] kestrel7@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I believe those people saying lemmy is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy were being sarcastic. Thanks for rounding this up though, I appreciate people who do the due diligence.

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This is some really McCarthyism here.

Stop being lame, my dude.

[–] ChaosAD@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

@dessalines@lemmy.ml is /u/parentis_shotgun on Reddit. Source: https://archive.is/Ky9vd

  1. There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.

  2. What are you gaining from spreading misinformation, or trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?

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[–] thedarkfly@feddit.nl 21 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Sure, but as I said, I don't see any of this as relevant as long as it doesn't affect the platform.

https://raddle.me/f/lobby/159606/-/comment/294792

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