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Update 3: @dessalines@lemmy.ml did stated they (singular) disagree that a genocide is taking place.
Update 2: My conclusion
Update: So I dug around a little deeper, and found that
Update: More info about @dessalines@lemmy.ml
It's definitely good to have people like you investigating the backgrounds of key developers, as there might be ulterior motives behind them developing open platforms that compete with established Western companies outside of loving the free web and open source. Thank you!
However, I wonder how many opinions we disagree with would be unearthed by doing this kind of research on every core developer of Chrome, Windows, MacOS, Google or whatever. I think you would find a lot if you get people to air their honest opinions. In today's climate, if these people were open about certain opinions they might hold (not saying they do, but statistically it's likely some do) they would just be fired, so it's easy for large corporations to shake damage to their reputation from having certain staff members. For OSS it is a bit harder, since although developers can be pushed out, and software can be forked, it's all open and it's harder to understate the contribution to the source code etc. that such a person could have contributed.
It does kind of suck when you hear that developers working on software you like have wildly different worldviews to your own, but sometimes you have to put things in perspective. Having said that, if this guy is the only developer I might feel less than happy about using Lemmy instead of Reddit.
Personally, I'd rather my open source, decentralized software be developed by a nearly fanatical communist than a slimy entrepreneur/capitalist. Either could try to pull the rug out from under you, but at least one is internally consistent until then...
Having to do the mental gymnastics required to make China not commit genocide does not suggest internal consistency...
Iβd rather have open source, decentralized software be developed by none of those groups/slimy individual. Doesnβt have to be mutually exclusive.
I mean you're more than free to start contributing to Lemmy and / or offer to be on the core team. You can fork it and start your own version of it not owned by them. The nice thing about having a communist (or at least an anticapitalist) developing it instead of a capitalist is that you have the freedom to do that. You cannot do that with Twitter, or with Reddit, or with Facebook, or with Instagram.
Capitalists will not voluntarily do that because it is unprofitable to them. Companies that do end up floundering or dead.
Idk to me there's a very real difference between the two and I'd rather have a tankie developing a platform than someone like Elon Musk making it go to shit.
There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.
Ask yourself: what is this person gaining from spreading misinformation and trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?
Wow...thanks. I had no idea this was ongoing. As someone living in Asia and seeing these issues from up close, these ring close to home. I'll be paying attention for any of these...moderations.
If you are not on lemmy.ml or lemmingrad there is nothing to look out for because these people have no influence on your content.
How about Lemmy.world? Whichgroupss will they influence mostly?
They moderste lemmy.ml and lemmingrad. Apart from those, in which they are admins, they have zero influence or power anywhere else... Lemmy world and other indtances have completely different people in charge.
The Lemmy.world server is owned by the same guy that owns Mastodon.world. Nothing to do with the Lemmy devs. Just mainstream general interest servers.
A lot of big communities are hosted on lemmy.ml. They have influence there.
thank you for the research & informing us
Happy to help. :)
This is so weird to me lol, maybe I'm just odd but it's so weird seeing McCarthyism still rearing it's ugly head after what... 5 decades? I am by no means an ML (can't stand them as an anarchist) but this is wildly blowing out of proportion what @dessalines@lemmy.ml has said and done.
I mean like why link a 'Socialist FAQ' that's literally just a ton of links to education on socialism and the different schools of thought it has? Not all communists are tankies (not even most) lol. Just generally shows a lack of familiarity with actual leftists / anticapitalists.
I think it's more like 7 decades and I thought the same. Reds-under-the-bed is still a thing!
There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.
Ask yourself: what is this person gaining from spreading misinformation and trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?
Please stop spamming this in the thread, it's annoying af.
Sometimes people just like spreading drama. Other times they just have weird or different beliefs. Accusing someone of having ulterior motives isn't useful or helpful unless you can demonstrate that this person isn't just having an internet debate that they feel strongly about.
@spirit is making claims out of his ass though and taking lots of upvotes. I don't agree with spamming but there is no proof the reddit user is Dessalines.
Okay, what I'm saying is a vast majority of the time people just say stupid shit online. And that's it. This is a good way to say it, not 'what does this person have to gain by doing the thing that internet users have done for forever to earn imaginary internet points? Are they trying to destroy Lemmy?'
You are amazing! Thanks for the time spent on OSINT
Wow, this is a lot to digest. Thank you for putting this all together.
There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.
Ask yourself: what is this person gaining from spreading misinformation and trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?
Seeing as you're spamming this reply - I'll go ahead and spam my response to it.
Since you didn't notice that in that post /u/parentis_shotgun claims to have made Jerboa and links to it - which links to github.com/dessalines/jerboa - you're not very observant so I'll provide you with some alternative posts as evidence.
Step 1) Visit /u/parentis_shotgun's profile
Step 2) Old PgDn to load some posts. Find the one that says nothing but "Yes" on it. This post specifically.
Step 3) Click
Contextto see which question it is answeringStep 4) Read the question: "Wait a second, are you the same dessalines that narrated my The State and Revolution by Lenin and Fascism: What it is and how to fight it by Trotsky?"
Step 5) See /u/parentis_shotgun's response: "Yes."
"Misinformation".
Ask yourself: What exactly do you get out of defending Tankies?
Alternative route #1: Find parentis_shotgun's post about creating thumb-key - a privacy-conscious Android keyboard made for your thumbs. Notice it links to a Github profile for dessalines.
Alternative route #2: Find this post where they keep their "communist 101s" on dessalines.github.io/essays/
lol you are being just pathetic.
Must have been stated as sarcasm if Ned is : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_Democracy
since they are fighting specifically against this kind of United States's actions.
I mean regardless of the devs' opinions they are forwarding the democratization of information by working on this project
I agree with you yet I was not completely clear : I meant to say that lemmygrad.ml are fighting that.
Ah I see
Yeah, honestly, these NED guys seem really cool based on the wikipedia article. It's nice to find out my tax dollars are actually supporting something positive every now and again :)
I believe those people saying lemmy is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy were being sarcastic. Thanks for rounding this up though, I appreciate people who do the due diligence.
This is some really McCarthyism here.
Stop being lame, my dude.
There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.
What are you gaining from spreading misinformation, or trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?
Jesus christ, what a dumpster fire that comments section was.
What happened in this thread lol, complete change in retoric and basically only posted about programming afterwards https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialistRA/comments/y2rzhg/interview_with_anarchocommunist_combat/is5kna7/