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[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 111 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It does not help that many new vehicles are built like shit and have complexity for the sake of complexity. Electronic door latches, pop-out door handles, having everything controlled via a clunky, outdated, atrocious GUI, etc etc. These problems are not unique to EV's but a lot of EV's are going to have them just because they are brand new vehicles.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 57 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I bet if they made an EV without all that crap it would be crazy reliable.

[–] rem26_art@kbin.social 60 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah I'm sad that the rise of EV's coincides with just how extra cars have become in recent years. If you sold me a mid 90s Honda Civic hatchback with an electric drivetrain, no internet connectivity, no electric door handles or touch screens, I'd be happy with it.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 22 points 11 months ago (4 children)

One of my retirement dreams is to build electric remakes of classic cars, complete with authentic exhaust noises

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ford has that crate electric motor that can live in front of a manual transmission

[–] rem26_art@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

oh man that would be sick! I hope you achieve your dreams.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

If you make the exhaust noises a menu option I can turn off or on, I will buy one.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, you will get a basic, simple switch. No menus. No touchscreens.

[–] TrenchcoatFullofBats@belfry.rip 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Make it a toggle switch under a cool red cover and I'm in

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Yes. I change my request to this.

[–] NotBillMurray@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Make it a three position switch. On, off, and "make the noises with your mouth"

[–] Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

I want mine to sound like the cars from the Jetsons sometimes, and other times the sound of Snoop Dogg making car noises and giggling.

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

I so want to EV-ify my Honda Element. I've never met a vehicle that had it's same compact/utility/ease of use combination, and Honda ain't even making them no more...

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have a 1980's 4x4 that needs an engine, and I am so very tempted to make it electric. It's as bare bones as a vehicle gets.

[–] rem26_art@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That would be a fun project for sure. If you've got the funds, the time, and the space, I'd say go for it!

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

The bigger problem is, it's small and light that I'm not sure it could hold the batteries.

[–] HooPhuckenKarez@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago

They should be. They're orders of magnitude less complex than ICE vehicles as far the driverrain is concerned.

[–] tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

One thing that I always thought as crazy was the amount of electric and electronic shit these modern EVs have. Bitch, weren't you supposed to save battery for driving? Why are you putting a light show when I'm supposed to be focused on the road?

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Eh, something like that probably draws about half a kilowatt, and it would be hard to shed all of that functionality (I think the Mitsubishi i-Miev might, but also reverse cameras are a requirement in cars now so you can't get rid of the screen)

For comparison, my car has about a 65kwh battery. I probably use maybe 20kilowatts when driving, but there are lots of variables there. If my half-kilowatt estimate is reasonably accurate, you can run it alone for about 130 hours.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not to mention much more affordable.

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's fucking dumb having all this shit added that I don't want and I have to pay for it.

We need a new manufacturer for the common man.

[–] Sooperstition@lemmy.one 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yes! A true car of the people, almost like a volkswagen!

…wait that’s a car company too? And they’re part of the problem?

[–] LifeOfChance@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Could you imagine taking an old school Square body and making lighter with the very basic modern amenities like power windows and MAYBE a basic touch screen radio. I know aerodynamics and safety are why they aren't around but find a way to make it work and that stuff would sell to some of the more stubborn people. Like you said strip all the nonsense out and make it basic.

[–] netburnr@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

An EV with crank windows, a parking break lever for mad j turns, and a standard double din radio so I can upgrade it like it's the 9ps again.

Sign me up

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 1 points 11 months ago

Dude you could fit a literal ton of batteries into a squarebody. In my 76, the engine bay has enough room to comfortably fit multiple full grown adults inside of it with the V8 engine in place. You could probably fit 3 small block V8s in there without doing anything but removing the inner fenders.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

No. Same interior but with an electric motor

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Imagine. No software, just a potentiometer regulating how much current goes into the engines.

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That'd be one beefy potentiometer capable of handling hundreds of amps of current.

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

I know it wouldn’t be a potentiometer, as it is extraordinarily inefficient, but you get the idea

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The pop-put door handles thing gets me. Like why do I need to push one end of the handle in, then pull it the rest of the way out on the opposite end? It's so backwards and convoluted.

Just give me a damn handle I pull out to open the damn door. Why is it so hard?

[–] zSpider@lemmy.zip 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Flush door handles improve aerodynamics by reducing drag.

[–] v81@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's true, but also dumb at the same time.

The benefit of reduced drag applies regardless of mode of propulsion.

So really, it's complexity for complexity sake.

[–] weew@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

not really, because gas engines are so inefficient outside of their ideal RPM range that a little extra drag is barely noticeable.

[–] v81@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Hence why they have transmissions that ensure they're in a favourable RPM range at all times.

[–] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

I bet they add all that dumb shit so it breaks and you have to buy a new car after all the bells and whistles are busted and you cant open your doors or trunk, since the motor is so much more reliable and needs less maintenance.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

Yeah. I like a nice big touchscreen for infotainment and navigation, but everything else should still be knobs, buttons, and sliders on the dashboard.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

It’s just more pronounced in EVs right now because there’s been a huge rush to build EVs and a lot of manufacturers are in their first or second year of offering them. Tesla fares relatively well because they’ve pumped out millions of cars for several years and they focus only on EVs. Meanwhile the EV shitboxes being rushed out by Ford and Chrysler are… shitboxes.

The brand graph is useless here because many of these brands make gas and EV cars. I want to know how the Nissan Leaf fares, for example. They’ve been making it for years. Has it reached the same reliability as other Nissan cars?