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Doomerism (lemmy.world)
submitted 11 months ago by neanderthal@lemmy.world to c/climate@slrpnk.net
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I would like to address the doomers.

Just stop. All you are accomplished is dissuading people from trying. Even if we fail, some of us would rather go out feeling good about ourselves knowing that we actually tried. If we succeed, I want to be on the right side of history. If you want to drive a canyonero through a drive through to buy a double cheeseburger on your way to the airport to fly somewhere for a shopping trip: please keep it to yourself.

  • There is still hope
  • Most people want action. I can cite more than one source.
  • Things are starting to turn around. Not as fast as we need to, but we are seeing change
  • Some of us are parents and have a reason to fight with all we have
  • If things get bad, our kids will actually want to have a relationship with us if we cared enough to try
  • Many things that help are economically better on the micro and macro scales

Doomers are the fossil fuel industry's best friend-- even more than the deniers are. If enough people succumb to it, they don't even have to pay lip service to the problem. Doomerism means you can continue to pollute and not even try.

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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If someone says the climate is fucked and there's zero signs the people in power will do anything, they're not a "doomer" they're accepting reality.

This is the problem, though. This is hyperbole. "Zero signs?" Citation needed. It is not self-evident, and using your experiences as evidence is just confirmation bias.

And that was OP's point. You might see it as a forgone conclusion, but that's not necessarily objective reality.

[–] qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not zero,but so far below what is neededthat 'doomer' is a ridiculous characterisation of 'realist'. Anyone who thinks we're dealing with the problem is delusional.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You're confusing cynic with realist. The realists are the climate scientists, who have yet to say humanity is doomed.

[–] qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh hanity will live on. We're a pretty adaptable species, but not as numerous or as comfortable.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago

Or, we could try our best to prevent it on the chance that billions of people don't have to die.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is the problem, though. This is hyperbole. “Zero signs?” Citation needed

That's not how logic works...

I can say there's zero signs God exist, and a religious person will demand proof and start doing victory laps.

I can't prove that there's nothing they're doing, just like I can't prove Bigfoot isn't alive somewhere.

However, if you knew where bigfoot was, you could prove it.

So, if you think the people running governments are actually doing enough to stop the centuries long destruction of our environment, you could do that. But it's not happening, so it's not. At best you could point to future plans and claim that will be enough. But people have been doing that for decades and haven't been right once.

I mean, how would I even provide what you're asking for? It can't be as easy as pointing to all the records that show it hasn't started getting better yet...

[–] neanderthal@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Except there is evidence sort the chart by percentage.

In the US, we passed the IRA.

EV and e bikes are making rapid gains regarding phasing out ICE vehicles.

Go to the lawnmower (I know, lawns suck) section of a big box hardware store and notice the large selection of electric mowers and trimmers.

Rooftop solar has exploded in my neighborhood.

Content about car dependent design sucking has grown drastically in popularity the past few years.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I don't know what you think that chart proves, but it's not that climate change is slowing...

And you're completely ignoring all the pollution and fossil fuels that go into mining, refining, and transporting the rare earth minerals needed for batteries...

Like, you literally did the only thing I could be done, after I explained how that wouldn't be proof:

At best you could point to future plans and claim that will be enough. But people have been doing that for decades and haven’t been right once.

You don't know what you're talking about, but you're optimistic, I'll give you that.

Won't do you any good. But feel free to ignore reality while you sit back and claim everything is fine.

[–] neanderthal@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It proves that work is being done by showing how many places have transitioned almost entirely to renewables for power generation. You said show evidence that governments are doing something, I provided.

Things aren't fine, but succumbing to doomerism guarantees the worst case outcome. The more people continue to try, the less bad things get.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

Welp, I tried...

Luckily there's one more strategy I know will work

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And you're completely ignoring all the pollution and fossil fuels that go into mining, refining, and transporting the rare earth minerals needed for batteries...

https://theconversation.com/how-sodium-ion-batteries-could-make-electric-cars-cheaper-207342

It's a good thing the people trying to remove the problematic components from things like EVs don't listen to doomers like you.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This probably going to bring back bad memories from yesterday for you, but I'm sure I'm not the only person taking this option to avoid talking to you

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago

Good. Keep your doomerism to yourself.