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Doomerism (lemmy.world)
submitted 11 months ago by neanderthal@lemmy.world to c/climate@slrpnk.net
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I would like to address the doomers.

Just stop. All you are accomplished is dissuading people from trying. Even if we fail, some of us would rather go out feeling good about ourselves knowing that we actually tried. If we succeed, I want to be on the right side of history. If you want to drive a canyonero through a drive through to buy a double cheeseburger on your way to the airport to fly somewhere for a shopping trip: please keep it to yourself.

  • There is still hope
  • Most people want action. I can cite more than one source.
  • Things are starting to turn around. Not as fast as we need to, but we are seeing change
  • Some of us are parents and have a reason to fight with all we have
  • If things get bad, our kids will actually want to have a relationship with us if we cared enough to try
  • Many things that help are economically better on the micro and macro scales

Doomers are the fossil fuel industry's best friend-- even more than the deniers are. If enough people succumb to it, they don't even have to pay lip service to the problem. Doomerism means you can continue to pollute and not even try.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I don't know what you think that chart proves, but it's not that climate change is slowing...

And you're completely ignoring all the pollution and fossil fuels that go into mining, refining, and transporting the rare earth minerals needed for batteries...

Like, you literally did the only thing I could be done, after I explained how that wouldn't be proof:

At best you could point to future plans and claim that will be enough. But people have been doing that for decades and haven’t been right once.

You don't know what you're talking about, but you're optimistic, I'll give you that.

Won't do you any good. But feel free to ignore reality while you sit back and claim everything is fine.

[–] neanderthal@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It proves that work is being done by showing how many places have transitioned almost entirely to renewables for power generation. You said show evidence that governments are doing something, I provided.

Things aren't fine, but succumbing to doomerism guarantees the worst case outcome. The more people continue to try, the less bad things get.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

Welp, I tried...

Luckily there's one more strategy I know will work

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And you're completely ignoring all the pollution and fossil fuels that go into mining, refining, and transporting the rare earth minerals needed for batteries...

https://theconversation.com/how-sodium-ion-batteries-could-make-electric-cars-cheaper-207342

It's a good thing the people trying to remove the problematic components from things like EVs don't listen to doomers like you.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This probably going to bring back bad memories from yesterday for you, but I'm sure I'm not the only person taking this option to avoid talking to you

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago

Good. Keep your doomerism to yourself.