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I guarantee you Indians were taught to call people sir by people who view calling someone sir as acknowledgement that they are superior to you
In the past, yes. As an Englishman I know well the history. I've also known a hell of a lot of Indian people to know they are people of great character, intellect and culture. We could all learn a lot from them.
is this a bit or do you actually not realize how this comes off? the colonized don't need or want compliments from the colonizers. they want back what was stolen from them.
You do realise that a working class lad like myself with nothing has nothing to give back. Thats for institutions and corporations, and the elites. So dont be so condescending. That is how your reply "comes off".
I've also known many Indians and I have never heard one of them call anyone sir
Then you're not very good as listening to people.
that's a really stupid point to make obviously I listen to what people say and these people don't call people sir
Instead of listening to my experience you became condescending. This is why the left fails. Your attitude ruins the ability to cooperate and fix the real issues in society.
Please sahib, explain the customs of these exotic people of the Orient of which you are an expert. Regale us with tales of your service with the British Raj among the unenlightened Hindoos
Fuck sake nipper, as I said to the others. If you constantly snipe and cockey-judge nothing will change. Nobody will turn against capitalism and you'll remain the fringe.
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no I contributed my own relevant experience to the conversation. You say that Indians often casually call people sir. I have grown up in an area with a high proportion of Indian immigrants and known and worked with many both raised in the UK and recent immigrants and have not known them to call people sir. My point being is that it is clearly a more complicated cultural thing than you were saying
Tell you what next time I'm talking to an Indian I'll ask about it as they should have a better idea of their own culture than we have
As an indian , born and living in india , I feel indians only use sir under subjugation , however sometimes its out of respect ( like calling a scientist or someone sir out of respect for their contributions)
that actually sounds very similar to the British usage
So basically in the above post the person calling him sir clearly feels the person is superior to him !
I couldn't begin to speculate on that as I don't know anything about them or their relation with the Indians they know
you say that like sir doesn't carry the same meaning in non-colonial bourgeois contexts. sir is for children and servants to address their 'betters', it's politeness in that the people involved conform to the behavior expected of their social positions
And for many its just a word. Go and ask the guy what he means instead of putting words in the guys mouth. There is more nuance in words there than political ideology and the broad damage caused by history.