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I tried. It was exhausting. I'm better now.
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Liberals aren't just not perfect, they are actively bad. Supporting Capitalism and refusing to budge an inch to even go for something tame like Medicare for All as the public radicalizes is a losing game. The Democrats already do have detention camps, and are not trying to be better people. You've bought that lie hook, line, and sinker, both the Dems and Reps ultimately serve Capital before the public.
That being said, I'll vote for Biden again. But the notion that the Democrats are just well-meaning, less than perfect people, rather than servants to Capital, is delusional.
True. Also liberals are better than fascists.
Cut a liberal and a fascist bleeds, and all that.
Liberalism is better than fascism, but liberalism necessarily leads to fascism, and liberals side with fascists over Socialists and Communists historically.
I don't see liberals making up excuses like "economic anxiety" for racists nor suggesting that if we just had a better economic platform, all the fascist supporters would instead support us.
Let's be real here. Democrats aren't perfect, but neither are those further left of them. The sooner we can accept that there's shitty opinions in both camps, the sooner we can actually work together on stopping the fascists.
Centrism is meaningless. When your only position is to reject both positions, your fundamental position rests on the affirmed positions of others.
You know, I didn't realize it until you said it, but centrism is accepting both positions, and it's also rejecting both positions. In both cases you're holding the two sides as equivalent.
And ultimately, I feel that authentic political engagement comes from your own values and not fear of associating with people who are in your corner for the wrong reasons. It's entirely possible to reject mainstream political narratives across the board, come to your own conclusions, and end up somewhere other than the center.
Absolutely. When you come to your own conclusions, it's easy to disavow radicals that want to rub shoulders with you. When you follow an ideology, you're forced to associate with everyone who claims to follow that ideology.
Exactly. Compromise isn't a virtue in and of itself. Centrism may on a case by case basis be correct, but only as accident.
Yeah, the only time where I think centrism is valid is actually with Israel, because genuinely the IDF and Hamas are both evil and kill civilians without a care. Even then of course there's distinctions to make and consider. But that's a whole separate deal.
I think the best position is to be solidly in A or B, but acknowledge that the other side has some valid points and your side has some valid flaws. That's a mark of wisdom imo. Unfortunately, I think people oversimplify it and think that centrism is the same thing.
There's also the power dynamic to consider, the centrist position is to let the IDF murder all of Gaza, they keep chewing through children like nobody's business.
Oh yeah, absolutely. IDF or Hamas, whoever has more power is going to kill civilians en masse with it. This is the one time I'll actually unironically say both sides are the same. There is a power imbalance, absolutely, but there's no doubt that they both have the intent to annihilate the other.
Putin should be hanged in The Hague.
Sure. Why is that relevant?
So you are going to vote for something you know is actively bad? Wow. You're the problem.
There are degrees of bad. I'll vote for eating a week old sandwich over not voting at all and hoping other people don't vote for us all eating sandwiches filled with dog shit.
When the choices are actively bad and actively worse than bad, I'll vote for actively bad while supporting movements to replace both options entirely.