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You're just like some of the others here: Stuck in 2015 and accusing everyone else of being paid by the oil companies.
Literally no one on the left support these kinds of fanatical anti-hydrogen positions anymore. Just this one Fascist is left. And just a bunch of conspiracy theories as the basis of reasoning. Not even a single coherent counterargument...
Says the person with no actual experience on the matter, unlike the person you are arguing with.
I am left, and I don't support hydrogen because it pales compared to the electrical solutions we have and will have in the future. So don't pretend your viewpoint is universal with the left, because it isn't far from it.
I also don't support Elmo in any way shape or form for your information.
Hydrogen would only be viable for airplanes, since they require higher density fuel at the lowest weight possible.
But other than that, hydrogen just isn't viable in the applications you name. Your EV information is also from 2015, so all your arguments are just projection. Plain and simple.
Not only are you wrong, it's you guys that are just repeating one debunked myth after another. There's nothing being said hear that I haven't heard already.
This is why you guys are stuck in 2015. It's just a bunch of obsolete drivel that originated from Tesla and other BEV companies.
If you are really politically left, then why not starting acting politically left? No one on the left opposes hydrogen anymore. This is quickly turning into an extreme political position. Possibly, a far-right position in the near-future.
If you don't support Elmo, then stop repeating his lies. It's like everyone here hasn't realized that Elmo has been lying for well over a decade. It didn't just begin with Twitter.
In the end, FCEVs are also EVs. They are also zero emissions cars. You cannot come up with a coherent reason to oppose them. It is the same style of argument as those that opposed wind, solar, even BEVs too. So there's only one reason conclusion, and that is to support FCEVs like any other green technology.
ROFL at your stuck in 2015 comment, I wish I were!
In 2015, hydrogen was ~$20/kg and trending down to ~$13-16/kg by 2017, with the DOE claiming it to be "about the same cost as gas today" despite the fact that 1 kg H2 is roughly 1 gge, so the costs were about 4x gas costs, and 4x their target of $4/kg at the pump.
Fast forward to today and guess what, ~~that price kept dropping, and it hit the DOE targets!~~
Just kidding - prices this year are up to $36/kg, making the Toyota Mirai one of the highest TCO cars on the market.
Take me back to 2015 when that hydrogen fuel was half the price!
That's a local supply issue. It reminds me of the polysilicon shortage of late-2000s. Plenty of people came out of the woodwork to proclaim the solar panel as a dead technology. But the physics of the idea, namely that it's all made from sand, meant that cost will eventually plunge and it did.
Hydrogen is the same story. Investment has recently skyrocketed across the world. No one except a few BEV fanatics are still opposed to hydrogen. That is why guys like you are stuck in the past. You are repeating the same story as what people said about wind, solar, even the BEV itself in its early days. It is guaranteed to be wrong.