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I know nothing should surprise me with these fucking people at this point, but my mouth still dropped open when I read that.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Phew. Good thing we didn't vote for Kamala.

/s

[–] thesven@lemm.ee -2 points 47 minutes ago (1 children)

You do remember that this attack happened while Kamala was VP.

I would feel sick if the candidate I voted for was cheering Israel for massacring thousands of innocent people. May I remind you that the DNC barred the pro-Gaza crowd? May I remind you that Trump and Biden were competing on who is the closest Israeli ally?

Yep, having Trump as a president sucks, but at least my hands are not filled with blood.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 42 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago) (1 children)

Did you vote for Kamala? Or did you allow trump to get elected? Guess what, your hands are stained with innocent blood either way. Your hands fill up faster with trump.

[–] thesven@lemm.ee -1 points 33 minutes ago (2 children)

I was not complicit in getting either of them elected. My hands are clean, and so is my conscience.

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.world 2 points 28 minutes ago (1 children)

this is an interesting stance. not a US citizen, but i live in a country where voting is mandatory. i assume you didnt vote?

[–] thesven@lemm.ee 0 points 15 minutes ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago) (1 children)

There are not just two candidates in the US, although the establishment would prefer everyone to believe that.

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.world 2 points 8 minutes ago* (last edited 6 minutes ago) (1 children)

right but FPTP kinda ensures third party is negligible until it becomes the 'second party' right?

edit: and also, i agree itd not youre fault, not trying to assess blame, just trying to understand the psyche of a (realistically) non-voter

[–] thesven@lemm.ee 1 points 5 minutes ago

Unfortunately.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 30 minutes ago (1 children)

You had a choice to make, either vote for one of them, assuming you're American and can vote, or be complicit with whomever was elected. You can trick yourself into believing you had no impact on the outcome, but assume what I said earlier was true, you either helped trump get elected, and therefore have blood on your hands, or you voted against trump, and have blood on your hands, but less blood.

[–] thesven@lemm.ee 1 points 20 minutes ago (1 children)

The result would be the same no matter the candidate. Gaza was razed to the ground while the democrats were in power. And not only that, but they actively backed the Israeli government. If we allow ourselves to betray our moral principles, then we are on a downwards spiral where each candidate can say and do whatever they want, as long as the candidate next to them is a tiny bit worse.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 13 minutes ago (1 children)

Hence why I said you had blood on your hands no matter what. This is where harm mitigation comes in, by not voting, you agree to whoever is elected, in this case trump who wants to further ethnic cleansing. This was the last election in the US as we know it. And trump isn't a "tiny bit worse".

[–] thesven@lemm.ee 1 points 7 minutes ago

Who said anything about not voting? There were not just two candidates last time I checked.

I agree to whoever gets elected, because that is how democracy works. As far as I am concerned that might be the last election in the US. period. And the Democratic Party is partly to blame.

[–] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world -2 points 1 hour ago

Go figure... Maybe those who stayed home and didnt vote made a conscious choice for "certain, quick, unpleasant end" instead of "slow, uncertain end".