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Fucking no strike clause, what the FUCK

Liberals are fucking moronic scum, we have no freedom, we have no rights, we are granted no provisions for our betterment or even protection or basic decision making

I will destroy this evil land, I will spill the blood of oppressors and free my fellow workers from their chains

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[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Folks, I'm getting on my soapbox again. In America, unions are too hobbled by labor laws. Guess what isn't really regulated in any way? Militias. Form a militia. Don't go on strike, everybody just takes the day off for militia training which is done right out front, marching with rifles.

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know what gets regulated real fast when leftists exercise their second amendment (pfft) rights? Militias

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eventually, sure. Regulating them is probably good since about 99% of them are blatant white nationalists. I'm sure the pushback would be mostly against leftists or labor organizers, but the existing militias would take some damage too.

[–] Yurt_Owl@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Law existing and law being applied are different things. There is no case the police would raid a white supremacist militia because they probably run it

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why avoid forming militias because they might be banned or regulated?

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the being arrested or murdered that deters people. And by the time corporate media is done with you, everyone will think you were in a terrorist cell.

I mean, if the militia is marching with red and black flags and stuff without a doubt you're right. I think there's an assumption a lot of people are making that I'm suggesting forming a communist militia, but that's not the case - the militia would absolutely have to be outwardly apolitical.

[–] motherfucker@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s not that militancy doesn’t have a place in the American left. It’s that a militia is not a drop in replacement for a union. There are currently good conditions for forming a union, at least the best there have been in decades. I don’t think the same is true of left-wing militias, at least not among everyday workers. If you’re in an area where you’re treated shittily enough and your local gun culture is amenable to forming a militia in your spare time amongst your coworkers, there’s a good chance that militia is not left-wing anymore. If nothing else, you’d need to identify a prominent social leader and start a strong ideological core with them. There’s a lot of luck involved in the conditions being right.

I wanna be clear that that doesn’t mean people should avoid taking it seriously and considering it as an option. I just don’t think that most people will come to the conclusion that it’s feasible for them.

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No doubt - and to be clear, I don't think the answer to labor organization is always a militia, and it's definitely not an explicitly left militia. The only situation where this would work is an outwardly non-political (in the American sense) militia

[–] motherfucker@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, seems I made some rash assumptions about what you meant. Since it seems you’ve given this a fair amount of thought, if you ever write up an effortpost on it, I’d be happy to read it.

[–] StewartCopelandsDad@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Guess what isn't really regulated in any way? Militias.

this is not true. at least in my state, forming a militia and marching with rifles outside your workplace is quite illegal and will get you v&d

20 ILCS 1805:

It is unlawful for any body of men or women, other than the regularly organized militia of this State, troops of the United States, [and fuddy veterans orgs], to associate themselves together as a military company or organization, to drill or parade with arms in this State, except as hereinafter authorized; but, by and with the consent of the Governor, [private militias approved by the governor] and [military academies].

If you want to use your gun rights for spectacular purposes Black Panthers style, you have to actually know the law like they did. Please read your specific state's laws before you do anything in this area, there are probably lots of pitfalls.

Georgetown law:

All 50 states prohibit private, unauthorized militias and military units from engaging in activities reserved for the state militia, including law enforcement activities.

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Certainly, states with more restrictive gun laws will likely have more restrictive laws on militias. In my state there's no restrictions. It's probably also worth noting that "activities reserved for the state militia" would be well outside performing regular drills with your co-workers.

[–] StewartCopelandsDad@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In Illinois performing regular drills with your coworkers is an activity reserved for state and other approved militias. In other states state-only activities are just making arrests and other cop shit. If you've checked the laws in your jurisdiction have at it, I just want to put a huge warning out to people that in many parts of the US militias are super illegal (for leftists at least) and you have to actually read the law to know what you're dealing with.

[–] 1nt3rd1m3nt10n4l@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Guess what isn't really regulated in any way? Militias.

Do you know that for a fact? I'm not certain that that's actually true. In fact I'm pretty sure all of them are (probably) illegal.

[–] Lanthanae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

2nd amendment. Maybe the one useful thing we can get out of it.

[–] motherfucker@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

How much of that applies in practice is going to vary wildly from state to state. A militia marching in downtown Fresno is going to have a very different reaction to a militia marching in the exurbs of Jackson. Also, a truly militant trade union is going to be seen as a threat by the capitalists of any area no matter where you are and dealt with accordingly. Forming a union is a PR battle where your main advantage is the element of surprise. Honestly, if you can organize a bunch of Americans to form a secret militia long enough for that strategy to work, it feels like using it to negotiate for more vacation days is major under kill.

[–] Fuckass@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

very-intelligent actually, militias are well regulated. It’s in the constitution

[–] Fuckass@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hypothetically, can a based governor mobilize the National Guard to protect striking workers from strike breakers e.g. Pinkertons?

I don't think there's any reason they couldn't do that, legally