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edit: As I'm seeing a lot of worry about the impact this will/could have on the community, please be assured we have the same mod team, and will be holding the community to the same standards. the same things that were always allowed will continue to be allowed and the same things that got things removed before will continue to get things removed before. Lemmy.world admins have agreed to allow us to run our community on our terms. It is my pleasure to announce that effective immediately, we are transferring our community to Lemmy.world! This has been a few months in the making, so my entire mod team is already on board. FAQ: Why? That's a complicated question with a long answer! The primary difference is moderatorial and ideologial differences between my team and Ada's excellent team of admins. We are on good terms with Ada and her team, and have gotten her consent to do this. In addition to this, we have had ongoing issues with federation and moderation that has caused a subpar experience for many people on other instances. How does this work? Currently, as there is not an easy way to transfer an entire community (trust me, we checked), we are locking the community as mod-only, and moving our focus to the 196 on lemmy.world. For you guys, functionally nothing has changed. What about the posts? Well, we tried to transfer them, but there was no real way to do so without absolutely destroying lemmy.world's federation. For this reason, we are simply archiving this community as mod-only. Everything is staying up, you just won't be able to post new content. Comments are still enabled, so we will continue to check our modlogs for some time after the transfer has settled. As for the posts on lemmy.world's 196, we're leaving those up too. From this point onwards, all posts made to that community are beholden to the rules you are all used to, but anything pre-existing is getting grandfathered in.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE PUT THEM IN THE COMMENTS OF THIS POST, AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM. Once again, here's the link to our new apartment of awesome. (universal: !196@lemmy.world)
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone Any chance you could hand over !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone to me or other mods?
If this goes through and the original community stays locked this is going to be a huge blow to the trans and queer community on Lemmy. :(
I'm not going to forcefully hijack 196, but if the community creates an alternative, I'm happy to let people know about it
!onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone for people reading this
I don't think hijack is the right word. You hijack something when you seize control to subvert it's original purpose. In this case, you'd be seizing control to return it to its original purpose. This feels more like an anti-mutiny, where the leader goes rogue and the crew refuses to go with them.
Irrelevant. Seizing control is a part of hijacking, not the entire thing. You also have to be subverting its purpose, such as changing a vehicle's destination or making a radio station play a different message. Unlocking the community would make it do what it was doing before, which is not subverting its purpose.
If a ship is headed to New York, but a gang of pirates decides to take it to Barbados instead, that's a hijacking. If the captain goes rogue and makes the ship go to Barbados on their own, but the crew revolt and force the ship to go to New York like it was supposed to, that's anti-mutiny, not hijacking.
Isn't it that you're not going to prevent the community being forcefully hijacked?
It seems like they were never consulted or on board with the move.
How long do you intend to allow a mod team that's (as of yesterday) deeply unpopular with their own community hold control over it and keep it locked down against the userbase's wishes?
Idk, would you maybe be willing to transfer control from the old mod team once the drama's died down a bit and they're no longer likely to perceive it as some sort of personal attack, or is this a more permanent decision?
I am not going to take a community off of people who haven't broken any instance rules. Mods need to have confidence that the communities they run aren't going to be arbitrarily taken away from them because of an issue with an instance admin.
Unless I have the go-ahead from the staff, or unless they go dark long term and can't be contacted, I won't take it from them.
But, I did create a new post in the old community pointing people at a community made alternative, because I am also not going to force people to move.
I think going forward it would be wise to have a rule that communities need to be actively moderated at some minimum interval by an account on the community's home instance, or else face closure or the institution of new moderation. Sitting on an unused community is like owning unused private property. "I don't want this, but I don't want you to have it either."
Thanks for the answer. I appreciate what you do.
Respectfully, that's not what'd happen in such a scenario. You wouldn't really be taking the community away from the moderators: it wants to stay where it is and they willingly abandoned it of their own accord. You have every right to hand control back to the community (some members have already volunteered to take on moderator duties) and at this point, at least from what I can tell, you'd have the goodwill of pretty much everyone on the threadiverse who's even somewhat invested in the whole situation on your side. I can't even see what justification the existing mod team could have for holding it against you, but then, I'm not privy to what's happened behind closed doors here.
I take it that means either that you haven't actually asked, then, or that a response has not been forthcoming. I suppose the latter would hardly be surprising. Every time the question as to why the existing comm needed to be locked down has been levelled at them by community members, the silence from the mod team has been deafening.
All that being said, you seem to have made up your mind as to how you're dealing with this and I accept that.
In response to other people in the community asking her about it, moss has said that if she hands the community over to anyone, that she will hand it over to me. But as the community owner, that's up to her, not me. I also don't particularly want it. I run blahaj zone with Kaity to provide spaces for queer communities to exist and have their interests put front and center. But where possible, I try not to run those individual communities, because down that path lies burnout.
I don't want to be in a situation where I have to decide the future of a community that I wasn't heavily involved in. The people that make up the community are welcome here though, whatever form that takes.
I'd take that as an implicit statement that she trusts your judgement in appointing a new mod team, so it seems like there's really no problem here, but like I said, it's your call and I too respect your judgement.
Seems reasonable
seconded, spujb is one of the best of us.
spujb is good people.