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[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 29 points 16 hours ago (8 children)

re: election results. unfortunately i'm not surprised or even disappointed by now. it makes me feel sad for my 2015 self and her naivete. she didn't understand what a disgusting and evil culture she lived in

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 2 points 11 minutes ago

The level of fucked we are is too big for words

I wanted to say something darkly comedic about the AI bubble popping under the new regime, but my heart is too sick to make a joke

I think I'm more angry than anything. l hadn't realized how tight my media bubble had gotten and was pretty sure this wasn't realistic. I had gotten myself ready for another round of 2020 nonsense and denial, not this.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Nashville, here. I hear ya.

I don't know what else to say, I can't explain any of this, but also please know that you're not alone out there.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 10 points 11 hours ago

Слава Україні. The world has failed you.

[–] self@awful.systems 29 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I don’t have too much coherent to say right now

fuck the fascists for what they’ve done and what they intend to do

fuck the neoliberals for doing their best to convince marginalized people that they shouldn’t defend themselves against a terrible fate

fuck the accelerationists for pumping shitheaded propaganda into the fediverse, for the victory lap they’re taking now, and for the general idea that their revolution is worth our deaths

shit’s about to get very hard and very weird and I can’t stress enough how important it is to be careful who you trust with your life

[–] self@awful.systems 19 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

what a surprise, the thread all the leftist shitposters on mastodon boosted about how you’re a class traitor if you don’t vote for the Green Party (who I don’t buy as socialist) or “any other socialist party” (fucking who??? am I supposed to write “socialism” on my ballot in crayon???) conveniently went missing

anyway post your favorite fuckhead accelerationist here, mastodon’s a shooting gallery tonight

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

The bad guys have definitely learned a new sort of trick. Haven't wrapped my head around it yet, but it is bad, innit?

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

According to some reports the dems simply stayed home and he even lost votes compared to 2020

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 8 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

The thing that's most baffling to me is how the difference in ground game had zero impact. We were pounding the pavement, doors got fuckin knocked. The GOP did less than zero, firing their entire staff responsible for in-person outreach and gave 100 million to PACs run by grifters who put it directly into their own pockets.

Unless we've missed a trick, retail politics as it has existed is dead.

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Dem talking heads spending so much energy courting moderate conservative votes was an excellent way to demobilise their base. They really gave their all to lose an election that should have been a free win.

I mean, I don't think it was unreasonable to expect liberals to show up against someone who's sole policy proposals were mass deportations and political reprisals, and so I can understand the logic of focusing on the center (which in US politics means center-right).

But this being the democratic party, they also couldn't commit to an actual narrative to make that play. Rather than "look at their ties to Big Tech!" or even sticking with "look how weird these people are!" they had to go hat-in-hand and stake themselves to divisive (to say nothing of abhorrent) policies because that's the only connection they could try to make. I think we're seeing a major problem with the whole "big tent" concept.

[–] ShakingMyHead@awful.systems 6 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

It was twitter. Elon Musk joins Trump's team. What happens? Harris' chances begin to drop.
Trump did lose support, but there was probably enough propaganda on Twitter to make enough people go "both sides" and just sit out the election.

[–] self@awful.systems 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

and of course, Twitter and Facebook style influence campaigns work just as well or even better elsewhere, in communities that haven’t hardened themselves against that type of bullshit

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

2/3 of regular users don't use adblock, cambridge analytica may be disbanded as a company, but the approach they made still is a thing

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

IDK, do you really think twitter still has that much cultural relevance? ugh

I'm sure it played a part, though.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 4 hours ago

facebook is still big somehow and i see no reason why shrimp jesus irradiated brains of boomer population would be not susceptible to it like it was still 2016

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 20 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

i do love how the "anti-imperialist" protest vote against harris was a choice between like three or four putin apologists. the state of the US left is really fucked up and i don't want to look at it ever again.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 11 hours ago

i bet the self-described antiimperialists going all for Southern Lebanon Parking Lot 2024 feel real smug right now

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 11 hours ago

Didn't the Green Party woman also just go 'I'm pro Israel' the day for the election or so? Which I think is one of the reason she might have picked up a few moves (the idea she might be more pro gaza I mean).

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 13 points 13 hours ago

anyway post your favorite fuckhead accelerationist here, mastodon’s a shooting gallery tonight

I've intentionally been avoiding feeds the last few days because I just do not have the headspace for it, but I quickly checked on shit now

and

fuck

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 13 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I can’t stress enough how important it is to be careful who you trust with your life

strong agree

minor upside: it's going to be a good time to make lists of people who suddenly feel comfortable to mask off

fucking fuck this sucks

[–] self@awful.systems 12 points 11 hours ago

minor upside: it’s going to be a good time to make lists of people who suddenly feel comfortable to mask off

correct. keep receipts.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 15 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah this is fucked up. I feel so bad for everybody (esp the Americans, but this will hurt the world). Shit this prob means I should start looking into seriously helping out locally when all this explodes into more international shit. (Which imho is the best you can do anyway, do things locally, build a bit of a support network for your community).

(Note I'm not American, but I think this will end badly, just the fucker stepping out of the paris accord for example, and all the weird blowhard fascists this will make feel emboldened to do more politics locally).

E: I really hope the people who go 'this is the same as in 2020, wait till all votes are counted' are correct and not on hopeium.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

i think they indeed are on hopium/copium

I fully expect they are, even as I also hope they're not.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I can't tell, US elections have imho always been extremely dumb. (But, in the past decades+ ours have not been much better).

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

both by electoral college and by popular vote trump has advantage, and worse than that house and senate are republican now

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, turns out this is the bad place.

[–] ShakingMyHead@awful.systems 4 points 3 hours ago

The history books are going to refer to this era as "The Stupid Years".
Because all of this is very fucking stupid.

[–] zogwarg@awful.systems 18 points 16 hours ago

Not surprised, still very disappointed, I feel sick.

[–] ashley@awful.systems 11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

are you US-based? very sorry, take care

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 16 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

yes, i am. i've been plotting to get out for years but i've been too depressed since my partner died to make any progress tbh. i've no idea what to do

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 10 points 13 hours ago

ugh that sucks, I'm sorry