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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Don't forget Snow White who looks like a white person but is mixed-race white and Latina, so she isn't white enough to play Snow White.

And also don't forget the very light-skinned black woman who couldn't play Cleopatra because Cleopatra wasn't black. (How do we know? We don't? Cool. Cool cool cool.)

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How would cleopatra not be white?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Because we don't know who her mother was.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 months ago

And also don't forget the very light-skinned black woman who couldn't play Cleopatra because Cleopatra wasn't black. (How do we know? We don't? Cool. Cool cool cool.)

What's known of her ancestry is mostly Macedonia Greek with some Persian and Sogdian Iranian descent. What's left would probably either have been more of the same or north African, which still isn't black. Her coinage (which she would have approved her depiction on) and her busts that are considered most likely to be accurate (because they agree with the coinage) depict her as Greek, so she at least primarily thought of herself as a Greek.

A very light skinned black woman is about the darkest she hypothetically might have been based on what we know of her lineage. Something closer to half Greek and half Arab is probably closer.

[–] potustheplant@feddit.nl -4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"latina/o" is not a race aso yeah, that doesn't make sense.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 11 points 3 months ago

There's no race in current humanity, it's a cultual thing with no scientific backing so you can make whatever you want like the USA administration did for their convenience.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think a lot of la Raza would disagree with you there.

[–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You do realize that that is mainly from a USA point of of view and mostly directed towards mexico, right? So this isnt't only kinda xenophobic but you're basically telling me I should consider myself a different race because random yankees think I am? Yeah, no thanks. The country you were born in does not determine your race.

[–] Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 months ago

you're basically telling me I should consider myself a different race because random yankees think I am?

Race doesn't really exist*. No one can tell you you're a race you don't think you are

*I mean it exists, but it's a social construct that only has any meaning because we give it meaning culturally. Any person with a particular racial identity, in a different cultural context, could have a different racial identity. Would have a different racial identity, most likely. But that doesn't mean the concept is meaningless, just that its meaning is derived from its use, rather than the other way around.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

You do know that there is no scientific definition of race, right?

Also, she's from the U.S., so...

[–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Who is "she"? The acress in the live action mermaid movie? I literally never talked about her, so...

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No, the actress in Snow White. The one I called mixed-race. And then you said that she wasn't mixed-race because Latina isn't a race. Caught up now?