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[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 193 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Personally I think a large part of the lack of outrage over the first four is that no one who watched the movies had heard of the source material. People who watch Marvel movies don't tend to read the comics, but Ariel was a Disney movie (one of the most famous of all time) remade as another Disney movie.

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 99 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Correct. Nobody was bothered by Nick Fury’s change for example, even though he went from white to black. That was a wholly unknown character for most Marvel moviegoers. And Samuel L. Jackson is awesome in that role.

[–] WammKD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Actually, Fury's always been black in the Ultimate Marvel Universe; the character and the design was actually based on Jackson so casting him for the MCU probably was an obvious direction choice.

I also had my boss, when I worked in fast food, list this as one of the issues he had with the movie, when it came out (to quote him, "he's a white character; no offense but that's what he is," which was particularly galling, given the aforementioned fact).

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

TIL; thank you! I was aware enough of the comics to know of white Fury, but didn’t know there is, in fact, a black Fury.

Your boss is an idiot. I’m white as printer paper and would gladly let SLJ play me in a biopic. Because he’s awesome in every role he’s played. Good actors are good actors.

[–] TotalFat@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Turns out Jackson is also a master at reading bedtime stories..

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

I also had my boss, when I worked in fast food, list this as one of the issues he had with the movie, when it came out (to quote him, “he’s a white character; no offense but that’s what he is,” which was particularly galling, given the aforementioned fact).

"Yet another person claiming it's racist to have a white Santa. By the way, for all you kids watching at home, Santa just is white. Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean it has to change ... Jesus was a white man too. He's a historical figure, that's a verifiable fact, as is Santa."

Megyn Kelly said that stupid shit on TV 10 years ago and she is even more popular today.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Fury was white!? I think it's one of the perfect castings, along with J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson and Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. So good that I wouldn't be able to read the source material without picturing the actor!

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He was (but not always, as I’ve learned). He first appeared in 1963 and had his own comic, Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fury,_Agent_of_S.H.I.E.L.D.

And yes, agreed on Simmons and Jackman. Also, we obviously can’t forget RDJ as Tony Stark. An actor so perfectly cast, he basically launched the entire MCU. If it had been anyone else in that role, I feel confident in saying that it would’ve fizzled out long before we’d ever get to an Endgame.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 points 3 months ago

Huh. Interesting. And yeah, totally agree about RDJ! Damn, I knew I was forgetting one of the best examples of casting so good they sort of "retro-canonically" re-cast the character in other media...

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Personally, I think the lack of outrage is because the people who get outraged by black people being cast for roles that were previously white characters, aren't concerned when it's white people being cast no matter the source material.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

"Personally, I just want to chalk this up to racism so I can be upset about it"

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Name one outrage among conservatives in the US when a white person was cast for a role that was any other ethnicity in the source material. Sure, it happens on the Left, Netflix is especially accused of white washing (recent example: Three Body Problem). But, conservatives don't give a shit when it happens the other way around.

Regardless, I truly couldn't give a shit who gets cast for what regardless of source material. If the actor/actress is able to play the part well, I come for entertainment and couldn't care less.

[–] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The best example I can think of where the race choices really got stupid to the point of offensive was the first "The Last Airbender" movie where the director race swapped the entire fire nation to Indian, made the water nation white when they probably should have been Innuit or something similar, then chose to mispronounce the main characters name to make it sound more ethnic when the source material was in English, so they knew exactly how it should be pronounced.

Then for whatever reason, people got mad that the main character was white when it was the only character animated in such a way they could be white, and the tribe was a nomadic collection of people making it somewhat possible albeit not relevant to the nation theming of the other nations.

Anyways, this triggered my annual Last Airbender rant, so sorry about that.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

That poor movie was a travesty on multiple levels. Why Shyamalan was chosen to write/direct that movie, I care not to look up. My off the cuff theory was that he had kids obsessed with the animated show and he wanted to destroy something they loved after they accidentally broke his one and only Golden Globe award.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

People made a big deal over Sean Connery in The Highlander, although no one was really offended. It was just another joke

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

"Personally, I just want to chalk it up for people being mad for no reason so I can feel safe in my view that racism is over because Barack Obama or something."

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Could this be because people don't tend to get mad over things they don't know exist? Naaaaah, must be racism. Anyone who disgagrees that racism is the most likely explanation thinks racism is fake.

What is it with leftists and making mountains out of molehills?

[–] Peasley@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Personally, I think you are correct, but the person you replied to might also be correct. One likely amplified the other.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 3 months ago

I dunno. It always felt weird to me that someone named Raz Al-Gul was an Irishman, or that a traditional Buddhist monk looked like a soccer mom that went all in on yoga.