Saif

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[–] Saif@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago (2 children)

no, but being black could be described as a "din" interestingly enough, which Islam describes itself as, as the English word "religion" and its connotations did not exist in classical Arabic. Would you like to learn things from an Islamic perspective, considering you "have never knowingly interacted with a muslim"?

[–] Saif@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago (5 children)

it's just a word guys stop imposing your rules on me i can say it whenever i want

[–] Saif@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago (7 children)

i don't know how many times i have to keep saying this - racial oppression develops culturally, meaning there could be no logic to it but it becomes racist anyway due to the usage by racists for that purpose. for example, a lot of slurs have literally no etymological meaning, such as the "G" word used against Asians. you are trying to make racism seem logical, when it isn't and never has been.

[–] Saif@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago (9 children)

because racists have turned it into racial oppression? i just said culture is a fickle thing and this is how racial slurs and racial oppression develops, just look at blackface.

[–] Saif@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago (11 children)

sure, if that's the tack you want to go on. now that we've established islam has been racialized, and that it's extremely obvious that plastering drawings of Muhammad on the walls has been weaponized as form of racial oppression (again take 5 seconds to look at the discourse), can we agree it's fucking racist to do it? and there's precedence of course - culture is a fickle thing and anything can be turned into a slur with enough effort by racists, and we're not even talking about a word, we're talking about elaborately drawing something lmao.

[–] Saif@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago* (last edited 4 years ago) (13 children)

race is a social construct and not a biological one, and if you spend 5 seconds looking at the Western discourse you will see that Muslims have undergone racialization. how have you missed this?

[–] Saif@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago* (last edited 4 years ago) (15 children)

muslims are a race, and its racist to draw muhammad now, read the room my friend. this is the way of things. stop trying to conflate everything under the western conception of "religion" as if you can approach them all in the exact same way, you imperialist fuck. come to each one humbly with your head bowed, and attempt to learn something new about a different culture, for once in your fucking life.

[–] Saif@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago* (last edited 4 years ago) (17 children)

so once again, "drawing Muhammad in your own home" is not the question at hand here, you accept this. now you need to accept that nobody gives a shit about questioning the "morality" of drawing Muhammad in a vacuum just as no leftist with half a brain thinks the literal letter structure of the n-word is morally evil on its own. we're talking about cultural contexts. and just as it's morally wrong to go out of your way to be racist towards black people, it's morally wrong to go out of your way to be racist towards Muslims. and it takes a bizarre amount of effort in this context as well, i mean you are arguing for the right for people to make elaborate art just to be racist.

[–] Saif@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (19 children)

no one has ever said "don't draw Muhammad in your own house"??? where the hell are you getting this from. nobody is asking you to not draw Muhammad in private, that's absurd and irrelevant to the question. this whole discourse is about western reactionaries intentionally enflaming the situation by drawing Muhammad outwardly, usually in racist big-nosed depictions i might add.

[–] Saif@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 children)

I agree, I myself am not an American, and that's part of why this discourse is so frustrating because I can see a picture much larger than America, and I hate how much mental energy both online and in the global media is dedicated to whether the blue man or the red man should be in the white building during the period of time that the stupid fucking country collapses. Any material difference should be put towards answering the question of which man allows this to come to a head quicker because the country needs to stop existing as soon as possible for the betterment of the world, and honestly, Biden will just delay that.

[–] Saif@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago* (last edited 4 years ago) (3 children)

I think the issue with "harm reduction" rhetoric is that it starts with the conceit that the argument they're having with leftists is "Biden is no different", and thus they want to convince you that he will reduce harm somehow. But actually, no, I don't think there's no difference if he'd win, that's actually not true.

I think things would be worse, way way worse.

From a materialist perspective, a Biden presidency would strangle any revolutionary energy in its womb by using the overwhelming power of the State to co-opt and neuter the leftist struggle, all the while prosecuting the most radical actors to the fullest extent. His administration will reverse any gains socialism has made in the public eye, take us back to a time when the struggle was hidden behind an esoteric veil. Whereas Trump prevents any avenue from being pursued other than open warfare. His presence gets everyone out of the woodworks, it makes things clear to the average disaffected proletarian that there are only two options, socialism or barbarism, and the liberals struggle to make themselves relevant in the paradigm.

Liberals time and time again keep pressuring the left wing of America into voting, they think of you as complete fucking suckers, they have zero incentive to do anything for you if you keep going along with it. They have to suffer consequences, people are unable to learn unless they actually have consequences. And no I don't think that will make them turn around and start offering socialist policy, I think they're stuck repeating this cycle until we sink into the ocean, but each time it happens they lose more and more relevancy and the State loses more and more legitimacy. It's the natural course of things, it is something we have to confront, and I'm tired of pretending it's not going to come to a head.

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