Kieselguhr

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[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That was under Reagan! Bill Clinton tried to solve the problem! maybe-later-honey billdawg

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FINKELSTEIN: Briefly, because we don’t have time, there were four key issues at Camp David and at Taba. Number one, settlements. Number two, borders. Number three, Jerusalem. Number four, refugees. Let’s start with settlements. Under international law, there is no dispute, no controversy. Under Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, it’s illegal for any occupying country to transfer its population to Occupied Territories. All of the settlements, all of the settlements are illegal under international law. No dispute. The World Court in July 2004 ruled that all the settlements are illegal. The Palestinians were willing to concede 50% — 50% of the Israeli settlements in the West Bank. That was a monumental concession, going well beyond anything that was demanded of them under international law.

Borders. The principle is clear. I don’t want to get into it now, because I was very glad to see that Dr. Ben-Ami quoted it three times in his book. It is inadmissible to acquire territory by war. Under international law, Israel had to withdraw from all of the West Bank and all of Gaza. As the World Court put it in July 2004, those are, quote, “occupied Palestinian territories.” Now, however you want to argue over percentages, there is no question, and I know Dr. Ben-Ami won’t dispute it, the Palestinians were willing to make concessions on the borders. What percentage? There’s differences. But there is no question they were willing to make concessions.

Jerusalem. Jerusalem is an interesting case, because if you read Dr. Ben-Ami or the standard mainstream accounts in the United States, everyone talks about the huge concessions that Barak was willing to make on Jerusalem. But under international law Israel has not one atom of sovereignty over any of Jerusalem. Read the World Court decision. The World Court decision said Jerusalem is occupied Palestinian territory. Now, the Palestinians were willing, the exact lines I’m not going to get into now — they are complicated, but I’m sure Dr. Ben-Ami will not dispute they were willing to divide Jerusalem roughly in half, the Jewish side to Israel, the Arab side to the Palestinians.

And number four, refugees. On the question of refugees, it’s not a dispute under international law. Remarkably, even fairly conservative human rights organizations like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, in 2000, during the Camp David talks, they issued statements on the question of the right of return. And they stated categorically, under international law every Palestinian, roughly five to six million, has the right to return, not to some little parcels, 1% of Israel, which Israel is about — which Israel would swap, return to their homes or the environs of their homes in Israel. That’s the law. Now, Dr. Ben-Ami will surely agree that the Palestinians were not demanding and never demanded the full return of six million refugees. He gives a figure of 4-800,000. In fact — I’m not going to get into the numbers, because it’s very hard to pin it down — other authors have given figures of the tens of thousands to 200,000 refugees returning. That’s well short of six million.

On every single issue, all the concessions came from the Palestinians. The problem is, everyone, including Dr. Ben-Ami in his book — he begins with what Israel wants and how much of its wants it’s willing to give up. But that’s not the relevant framework. The only relevant framework is under international law what you are entitled to, and when you use that framework it’s a very, very different picture.

finkelstein-lambaste Norm on Camp David

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

Even Queen Latifah endorsed Kamala, and she never endorses anyone! It was a perfectly run campaign

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago

Republicans are fascists

We'll give them a seat at the table

Trump is the worst threat to America

[loses election]

we will peacefully transfer the power to fascists, but we are La Résistance

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

15 years from now, after Biden and Trump died, liberals will be proud to have Ivanka and Don Jr. on their side against President Tucker Carlson's second run for presidency.

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can't they borrow the CIA's heart attack gun? Since Trump is the biggest threat to America?

Either Trump isn't Hitler 2.0 or they don't give a shit that he's Hitler 2.0

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The whole point of modern liberal democracy, from the liberal perspective, is that it's like a market: the entrepreneur/party identifies (or creates!) a demand for a solution/product/policy package, then brings it to market/nominates a candidate and launches a marketing campaign. If you profit/win the election, you did a good job; otherwise, you failed. You are bankrupt. You should leave the market.
If your proposal does not represent the views of the voters, if you lose the popular vote, by definition, you did a shit job.

Not only they don't know jack shit about Marxism, they don't even understand their own theory.

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 39 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Oh so now that Trump won Gaza & Ukraine is fucked? It was going well before? WW3 could happen? Biden was the peacekeeper of the world or what? absolute wankers they live in an alternate reality

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago (4 children)

"populist" is such a shitlib west wing watcher parlance

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I think this analysis is spot on, at least it's scientific enough

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Remarkably Europeans are obsessed with this shit, it's just as popular as the first two phases of the Marvel Cinematic Universe! Only European US-election-heads are even more insufferable.

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

Have you read Red Plenty?

There are many Soviet books on Cybernetics, but I think they are only available in Eastern bloc languages (for example I have a book version of a Soviet cybernetics conference, but I'm pretty sure it's not available in English... but it's not that interesting to be fair, only a curiosity, there's nothing in it that couldn't be gleaned from Western sources like Ashby et al)

Pekelis's book is available on the internet archive

Alexander Lerner was also a Soviet Cyberneticist, but he became an Israeli settler cringe

 

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