AnonTwo

Until capitalism gets so large and unregulated that they can fund and control the government, which is what led to many of those "winner" picks that you describe.

It gets messed up both ways. We have many industries that are degrading because they've reached the limits of what they can innovate and instead are trying to find corners they can cut anywhere they can, while having the clout to get away with it.

Almost like glorification of any economic system is bad, rather than using them for their actual purposes.

People keep trying to use these systems forgetting human greed exists and will continue to exist

Because once these centralized services reach the point of defacto, they always just trying to push more and more of what they want. We're practically hitting a bubble at the moment of every social platform that took over trying to nickle and dime. It's the reason for all of this in the first place.

Facebook - Well it was always crap.

Reddit - killed all the forums, now trying to own all the text as content, making lives harder for it's moderators, and continuing not to pay them for the clearly thankless job. Quality of posts has degraded.

twitter - messed up the entire purpose of their checkbox, keeps trying to find various ways to make money, entire quality of platform quickly degrading due to server migration

Youtube - Has started pushing for more ads, and punishing users who don't watch said ads.

People think about the short-term too easily, and then just kick and scream when it's already too late, and moving requires a ton of coordinated work, and "putting up with", making new things work, because everyone let the last thing get screwed over.

The constant cycle of letting products get ruined and moving on gets annoying after awhile.

It's too easy to say "why not?" and very difficult to word "Because it always ends the same"

Technology is a history of users using things in ways the developer didn't consider. Honestly if it's something that isn't of value to the site, I'd imagine it should be on a report button, not a downvote button.

But you just can't convince end-users to do things the way you want. Either the system let's them do it or it doesn't. And half the time if the system lets them do it, they'll do it even if it sets fire to the system.

I don't think it's of any value to try to change user's choice of using the system, but rather embrace it and find ways to both better enable the system to use it (and perhaps curb some things you don't like about it) and then figure out what went wrong with the original intent and try to reimplement that.

Because a lot of the new traffic is really less passionate about fediverse, and more passionate about getting away from Reddit and Twitter. Plus the friends/communities people will make that come from that group.

You're thinking too short-term and not after things have started to reach some normalcy again. And also that Meta is specifically trying to get in now while those communities are trying to form.

Not if their communities and friends leave for threads.net because by the time the defederate occurs most of the communities either are on threads.net or have threads.net equivilants.

You can't have a community without the community part of it.

Except Meta by it's nature will aim towards Centralization. They're contradictive to the concept. It doesn't even take much thought to see the issue here.

Also as app_priori pointed out, Almost every instance already has a list of defederated instances.

Isn't that just...everything?

Like is there anything they aren't requesting?

I'll probably give it at least a week, see how things are, and decide from there.

Even then if I do go back probably cut activity to the things that just aren't available elsewhere at the moment.

Mainly news. Not just world/region but hobby news.

So far just the world/region news is here, which aren't particularly great discussions if you're trying not to get hotheaded.

To be fair, if people are properly protesting, the only people who would be checking reddit to respond to that thread are

1. People who don't know

2. People who didn't agree with it

I wouldn't even know the thread exists because I haven't had reddit open on any tabs.

edit: will say there could be exceptions to that, but that's just the general idea

I only ever joined Discord for friends. Leaving would mean losing all friends, not even a select bunch. They're not moving and while some may care that it's upsetting, it's a collective bunch that needs convincing. Friends of friends of friends. People aren't jumping ship for one person to also not have their other friends not jump ship.

Reddit is a community but doesn't have the more casual chat that friends use (well they have it now, but it was never good).

Discord pretty much has to burn bridges like Reddit did before anyone moves.